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<blockquote data-quote="Dungeonosophy" data-source="post: 8923526" data-attributes="member: 6688049"><p>C'mon Umbran, you're being persnickety. Why/how did the word "culture" become a bad word? By "culture", I don't mean a "nation", "religion", or "political spectrum", or "culture wars." I mean nothing more or less than the thin but zesty impetus voiced in the ORC Alliance announcement, and witnessed in the ORC Discord ferment, of which I participate in as "CEO" of Twelvefold Works Publishing. That is "culture."</p><p></p><p>By "culture" I only mean something with motivational "zest" and "fermentive" identity, even if thin.</p><p></p><p>How did you get that from what I shared? Did I ever say anything about "if you don't use the ORC License, you can't play?" Dude, I am baffled.</p><p>Is there a Moderator around here who will stop folks from putting strange words into my mouth? <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🙃" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f643.png" title="Upside-down face :upside_down:" data-shortname=":upside_down:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></p><p></p><p>Um, how did you get that from my post, or from anything I said? Gee man, is the word "culture" some sort of triggering trip-wire for you or what?</p><p></p><p><strong>I will restate my four-point OP in other words.</strong></p><p></p><p><em>I propose that once the ORC License is in place (which is, as you say, just about providing a legal framework for an endless multitude of game systems/SRDs), that then, a group of ORC Allied companies consider taking up the following 4-point cross-promotional, co-operative strategy:</em></p><p></p><p>1)<strong> (Somebody!) offer a website which contains all of the ORC-Licensed SRDs.</strong> Such as the existing Open Gaming Network website. I'm not saying anything revolutionary here!</p><p></p><p>[Edit: I will go back in my OP and add an "s" to the phrase "ORC SRD archive" > "ORC SRDs archive." In that phrase, I meant "SRD" as a collective, genitive plural. But I can see how a quick read might mistakenly think that I confoundedly suggested that there'll be only one ORC SRD.(!!!) So, I can be glad for Umbran's expression of confusion. I hope the added "s" will make it grammatically clearer for the quick reader!]</p><p></p><p>[Another edit: I'll delete all of the archive examples I gave (e.g. Wikidot), other than the Open Gaming Network. Since they might result in confusion.]</p><p></p><p>2)<strong> Innovatively hyperlink the pages on this website, so that all of the "features" (ancestries, classes, monsters, weapons, etc.) from each system have a link which leads to its equivalent in every other SRD which is hosted on the website.</strong> E.g. the "Elf" page on the PF2 SRD, has a sidebar where you can go the "Elf" page for 13th Age SRD, the "Elf" page for "The Black Hack" SRD, the "Elf" page for the A5E SRD, etc.</p><p></p><p>Kind of like how a Wikipedia article has a side-bar where you can go view different versions of the article in various languages. But this wouldn't be another language, but another game system. (Dang, have I said something offensive here?)</p><p></p><p>3) I propose that someone (possibly sponsored by one or more ORC-allied companies), produce <strong>a mobile app which can quickly convert characters, monsters, spells, etc from one Open system to another.</strong> So that gamers can become more comfortable and fluent in visiting other tables, and trying out other corners of the Open ecosystem. I propose the name ORC ENVOY for this app. Or just ENVOY! (In honor of Peter Adkison's Envoy multi-RPG conversion system, which was the spiritual predecessor of this idea.)</p><p></p><p>4) From this cultural basis (a culture of gamers becoming more familiar with converting in and out of a variety of Open systems), I would enjoy seeing like-minded companies<strong> step their co-operation to the extent that it becomes customary for many (most?) of their releases (especially setting/adventure products) to be produced for many different Open RPG systems simultaneously.</strong> (Not only through humongous one-off projects like the Savage Worlds-Pathfinder conversion.)</p><p></p><p>In order to make this more doable, I'm proposing some "labor-saving" innovations, and business-cultural innovations, such as: setting a transparent royalty rate for these sort of "re-statted" products; developing standing agreements between many publishers (of various sizes) so that this sort of multi-translation becomes very common and customary. Even to the extent that "big-name" settings such as Golarion and Ptolus are customarily being issued not only in their house systems (PF2 and Cypher), but also in more obscure systems, such as, say, MAZES, The Black Hack, or Old School Essentials; and also in classic systems, such as Golarion BRP and Starfinder Traveller.</p><p></p><p>I'm aiming for an arrangement wherein both partners (whether the company be large-ish, medium, or small) will mutually benefit: lucratively (for both), through growing their player network (esp. for the system-creator), and through growing their brand-recognition (esp. for the setting-creator), and in general goodwill. A more streamlined, transparent, customary, "semi-automated" process would make it economically worthwhile for larger companies (e.g. Paizo) to 'stoop' to allowing, say "Golarion WOIN."</p><p></p><p>I (and my proposal) have nothing against CC content, or even OGL1.0 content (to the extent that publishers and Open Game Archives feel confident in the continued use and mixing of OGL1.0-based Open Game Content). I only focus on the ORC License and ORC Alliance because they're a fresh impetus. To go with my fresh ideas!</p><p></p><p>Did I say something wrong or offensive?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dungeonosophy, post: 8923526, member: 6688049"] C'mon Umbran, you're being persnickety. Why/how did the word "culture" become a bad word? By "culture", I don't mean a "nation", "religion", or "political spectrum", or "culture wars." I mean nothing more or less than the thin but zesty impetus voiced in the ORC Alliance announcement, and witnessed in the ORC Discord ferment, of which I participate in as "CEO" of Twelvefold Works Publishing. That is "culture." By "culture" I only mean something with motivational "zest" and "fermentive" identity, even if thin. How did you get that from what I shared? Did I ever say anything about "if you don't use the ORC License, you can't play?" Dude, I am baffled. Is there a Moderator around here who will stop folks from putting strange words into my mouth? 🙃 Um, how did you get that from my post, or from anything I said? Gee man, is the word "culture" some sort of triggering trip-wire for you or what? [B]I will restate my four-point OP in other words.[/B] [I]I propose that once the ORC License is in place (which is, as you say, just about providing a legal framework for an endless multitude of game systems/SRDs), that then, a group of ORC Allied companies consider taking up the following 4-point cross-promotional, co-operative strategy:[/I] 1)[B] (Somebody!) offer a website which contains all of the ORC-Licensed SRDs.[/B] Such as the existing Open Gaming Network website. I'm not saying anything revolutionary here! [Edit: I will go back in my OP and add an "s" to the phrase "ORC SRD archive" > "ORC SRDs archive." In that phrase, I meant "SRD" as a collective, genitive plural. But I can see how a quick read might mistakenly think that I confoundedly suggested that there'll be only one ORC SRD.(!!!) So, I can be glad for Umbran's expression of confusion. I hope the added "s" will make it grammatically clearer for the quick reader!] [Another edit: I'll delete all of the archive examples I gave (e.g. Wikidot), other than the Open Gaming Network. Since they might result in confusion.] 2)[B] Innovatively hyperlink the pages on this website, so that all of the "features" (ancestries, classes, monsters, weapons, etc.) from each system have a link which leads to its equivalent in every other SRD which is hosted on the website.[/B] E.g. the "Elf" page on the PF2 SRD, has a sidebar where you can go the "Elf" page for 13th Age SRD, the "Elf" page for "The Black Hack" SRD, the "Elf" page for the A5E SRD, etc. Kind of like how a Wikipedia article has a side-bar where you can go view different versions of the article in various languages. But this wouldn't be another language, but another game system. (Dang, have I said something offensive here?) 3) I propose that someone (possibly sponsored by one or more ORC-allied companies), produce [B]a mobile app which can quickly convert characters, monsters, spells, etc from one Open system to another.[/B] So that gamers can become more comfortable and fluent in visiting other tables, and trying out other corners of the Open ecosystem. I propose the name ORC ENVOY for this app. Or just ENVOY! (In honor of Peter Adkison's Envoy multi-RPG conversion system, which was the spiritual predecessor of this idea.) 4) From this cultural basis (a culture of gamers becoming more familiar with converting in and out of a variety of Open systems), I would enjoy seeing like-minded companies[B] step their co-operation to the extent that it becomes customary for many (most?) of their releases (especially setting/adventure products) to be produced for many different Open RPG systems simultaneously.[/B] (Not only through humongous one-off projects like the Savage Worlds-Pathfinder conversion.) In order to make this more doable, I'm proposing some "labor-saving" innovations, and business-cultural innovations, such as: setting a transparent royalty rate for these sort of "re-statted" products; developing standing agreements between many publishers (of various sizes) so that this sort of multi-translation becomes very common and customary. Even to the extent that "big-name" settings such as Golarion and Ptolus are customarily being issued not only in their house systems (PF2 and Cypher), but also in more obscure systems, such as, say, MAZES, The Black Hack, or Old School Essentials; and also in classic systems, such as Golarion BRP and Starfinder Traveller. I'm aiming for an arrangement wherein both partners (whether the company be large-ish, medium, or small) will mutually benefit: lucratively (for both), through growing their player network (esp. for the system-creator), and through growing their brand-recognition (esp. for the setting-creator), and in general goodwill. A more streamlined, transparent, customary, "semi-automated" process would make it economically worthwhile for larger companies (e.g. Paizo) to 'stoop' to allowing, say "Golarion WOIN." I (and my proposal) have nothing against CC content, or even OGL1.0 content (to the extent that publishers and Open Game Archives feel confident in the continued use and mixing of OGL1.0-based Open Game Content). I only focus on the ORC License and ORC Alliance because they're a fresh impetus. To go with my fresh ideas! Did I say something wrong or offensive? [/QUOTE]
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