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ORC ENVOY: A proposal for an inter-system conversion site, a conversion app, and inter-company coöperation for ORC systems
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<blockquote data-quote="Dungeonosophy" data-source="post: 8923587" data-attributes="member: 6688049"><p>I love this question.</p><p>Well, I grew up with BECMI, 1E, 2E, and Rules Cyclopedia D&D. Then played 3E and 5E.</p><p>I remember most or all of these editions had official inter-edition conversion documents or appendices.</p><p></p><p>Here's two versions of official 5E conversion documentation (2015 and 2016). They say that they apply to all previous editions (including 4E):</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://media.wizards.com/2015/downloads/dnd/DnD_Conversions_1.0.pdf[/URL]</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://media.wizards.com/2016/downloads/DND/DnD-Conversions.pdf[/URL]</p><p></p><p>So, these official documents would serve as the basis for your question of converting 4E to 5E.</p><p></p><p>As for level:</p><p></p><p><em>"For fourth edition characters, fifth edition level is two-thirds</em></p><p><em>of fourth edition level, rounded normally instead of always</em></p><p><em>down. For example, 25th level in fourth edition becomes</em></p><p><em>17th level in fifth edition."</em></p><p></p><p>So, your 4E 10th-level Fighter is, in the 5E reality, officially a 5E 7th-level Fighter (6.67 rounded normally).</p><p></p><p>As for the Exploits you mention, the official 5E conversion doc says this:</p><p></p><p><em>"In the conversion process, feats from third and fourth edition should usually be ignored, because feats in fifth edition have a very different place in the game than the feats did in those two editions. Feats in fifth edition can make a character concept come</em></p><p><em>to life outside the race and class structures. Give the fifth edition feats a look if you feel your character lacks a needed</em></p><p><em>aspect after you convert race and class."</em></p><p></p><p>As for the subclass, the 5E conversion doc says this:</p><p></p><p><em>"Choose the fifth edition class that most closely matches</em></p><p><em>your character’s class (or classes, if your character has</em></p><p><em>more than one). Alternatively, choose the class that most</em></p><p><em>closely matches how you’d like your character to be in the</em></p><p><em>game’s narrative.</em></p><p><em>Don’t feel constrained by your character’s original class</em></p><p><em>or classes. For example, you might decide that warlock</em></p><p><em>or sorcerer is a better fit for your magic-user’s story than</em></p><p><em>wizard. Similarly, you are free to decide that fifth edition’s</em></p><p><em>paladin class or a cleric of the War domain better expresses</em></p><p><em>your fighter/cleric than multiclassing ... [etc.]"</em></p><p></p><p>All this to say, if those Exploits are essential to your character concept, then you'd probably go with Battle Master features that best model those. (I haven't looked into the specifics, but ya know what I mean.) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>So...hardly any conversion would be fully automatic. Most would involve a series of questions, offering various reasonable choices, all of which would abide by the "official" conversion principles crafted by each company.</p><p></p><p>Well, in the case of "cloned" editions of D&D, WOTC wouldn't be offering official conversion documents...but their conversion docs could be "cloned" as well!</p><p></p><p>In the spirit of ENVOY, all previous RPG official conversion documents could be gathered. And in this ORC/ENVOY/Open ecosystem I'm envisioning, more and more companies would be issuing official conversions between every Open RPG system under the sun (large and small), and hyperlinking those equivalent feature to each other on the SRDs archive site, and producing cross-statted setting/adventure products.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dungeonosophy, post: 8923587, member: 6688049"] I love this question. Well, I grew up with BECMI, 1E, 2E, and Rules Cyclopedia D&D. Then played 3E and 5E. I remember most or all of these editions had official inter-edition conversion documents or appendices. Here's two versions of official 5E conversion documentation (2015 and 2016). They say that they apply to all previous editions (including 4E): [URL unfurl="true"]https://media.wizards.com/2015/downloads/dnd/DnD_Conversions_1.0.pdf[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://media.wizards.com/2016/downloads/DND/DnD-Conversions.pdf[/URL] So, these official documents would serve as the basis for your question of converting 4E to 5E. As for level: [I]"For fourth edition characters, fifth edition level is two-thirds of fourth edition level, rounded normally instead of always down. For example, 25th level in fourth edition becomes 17th level in fifth edition."[/I] So, your 4E 10th-level Fighter is, in the 5E reality, officially a 5E 7th-level Fighter (6.67 rounded normally). As for the Exploits you mention, the official 5E conversion doc says this: [I]"In the conversion process, feats from third and fourth edition should usually be ignored, because feats in fifth edition have a very different place in the game than the feats did in those two editions. Feats in fifth edition can make a character concept come to life outside the race and class structures. Give the fifth edition feats a look if you feel your character lacks a needed aspect after you convert race and class."[/I] As for the subclass, the 5E conversion doc says this: [I]"Choose the fifth edition class that most closely matches your character’s class (or classes, if your character has more than one). Alternatively, choose the class that most closely matches how you’d like your character to be in the game’s narrative. Don’t feel constrained by your character’s original class or classes. For example, you might decide that warlock or sorcerer is a better fit for your magic-user’s story than wizard. Similarly, you are free to decide that fifth edition’s paladin class or a cleric of the War domain better expresses your fighter/cleric than multiclassing ... [etc.]"[/I] All this to say, if those Exploits are essential to your character concept, then you'd probably go with Battle Master features that best model those. (I haven't looked into the specifics, but ya know what I mean.) :) So...hardly any conversion would be fully automatic. Most would involve a series of questions, offering various reasonable choices, all of which would abide by the "official" conversion principles crafted by each company. Well, in the case of "cloned" editions of D&D, WOTC wouldn't be offering official conversion documents...but their conversion docs could be "cloned" as well! In the spirit of ENVOY, all previous RPG official conversion documents could be gathered. And in this ORC/ENVOY/Open ecosystem I'm envisioning, more and more companies would be issuing official conversions between every Open RPG system under the sun (large and small), and hyperlinking those equivalent feature to each other on the SRDs archive site, and producing cross-statted setting/adventure products. [/QUOTE]
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