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<blockquote data-quote="Azzy" data-source="post: 8537185" data-attributes="member: 6563">Let's start with that. You said that the &quot;basic premise of D&amp;D is that the gods are there&quot;, but that doesn't follow the history of D&amp;D (in which clerics were an add-on appearing first in the Blackmoor supplement, and gods were largely an afterthought until Gygax's players bugged him about them and then going from two to being all over the place). You must be misusing the word &quot;premise&quot; because the existence of gods is nebulous in the original work and is purposefully not supported by the &quot;basic&quot; D&amp;D line.You also said &quot;They can and will meddle in mortals affair.&quot; However, that's really a setting-specific thing (hence my reference to FR, GH, &amp; DL), but is not something that necessarily follows. Even in settings where gods exist, they do not need to be the meddlesome variety. Hence my original bebuttal.You ended with &quot;Yes you can do otherwise, but in doing so, you leave the basic premise and thus the &quot;always&quot; and &quot;generaly&quot; need not apply after that.&quot; And I retorted about your false claim of meddling gods being &quot;the basic premise of D&amp;D&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Azzy, post: 8537185, member: 6563"] Let's start with that. You said that the "basic premise of D&D is that the gods are there", but that doesn't follow the history of D&D (in which clerics were an add-on appearing first in the Blackmoor supplement, and gods were largely an afterthought until Gygax's players bugged him about them and then going from two to being all over the place). You must be misusing the word "premise" because the existence of gods is nebulous in the original work and is purposefully not supported by the "basic" D&D line. You also said "They can and will meddle in mortals affair." However, that's really a setting-specific thing (hence my reference to FR, GH, & DL), but is not something that necessarily follows. Even in settings where gods exist, they do not need to be the meddlesome variety. Hence my original bebuttal. You ended with "Yes you can do otherwise, but in doing so, you leave the basic premise and thus the "always" and "generaly" need not apply after that." And I retorted about your false claim of meddling gods being "the basic premise of D&D". [/QUOTE]

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