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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8537442" data-attributes="member: 6855114">Which in turn ignored my answering to an other poster about gods not doing anything and could not explain why some races were typically/always evil.And I did say that though the gods in 5ed was entirely setting dependant, that in some setting it was perfectly acceptable but it would not be the basic assumption. You claimed that gods were not assumed since the birth of D&amp;D which is far from the truth. At the time only two gaming worlds existed. Greyhawk and Blackmoor. In both, the gods are there. In both they are interfering either with their clerics or directly. It was in 2ed that the notion of godless worlds started. I will remind you that in Darksun, priests are &quot;worshipping&quot; elemental forces of air, earth, fire and water. You have to rely on &quot;splat&quot; books to prove your claim that it was way earlier than a 5ed core thing that cleric could get spells without the help of a god. The only official setting that was allowing philosophical clerics was, strangely enough, Planescape where a belief could become a reality.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8537442, member: 6855114"] Which in turn ignored my answering to an other poster about gods not doing anything and could not explain why some races were typically/always evil. And I did say that though the gods in 5ed was entirely setting dependant, that in some setting it was perfectly acceptable but it would not be the basic assumption. You claimed that gods were not assumed since the birth of D&D which is far from the truth. At the time only two gaming worlds existed. Greyhawk and Blackmoor. In both, the gods are there. In both they are interfering either with their clerics or directly. It was in 2ed that the notion of godless worlds started. I will remind you that in Darksun, priests are "worshipping" elemental forces of air, earth, fire and water. You have to rely on "splat" books to prove your claim that it was way earlier than a 5ed core thing that cleric could get spells without the help of a god. The only official setting that was allowing philosophical clerics was, strangely enough, Planescape where a belief could become a reality. [/QUOTE]

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