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<blockquote data-quote="Dr_Rictus" data-source="post: 412562" data-attributes="member: 850">When my group of D&amp;D newbies was level 1 (not that long ago)?&nbsp; The 2 orcs would probably have fallen over from a color spray in the first round, and they'd have been lucky to even hit the halfling barbarian in the front line before that happened.&nbsp; The ranger in the other half of the front line might've had a problem, except he probably would have shot one of the 2 orcs to death before they even reached him.On the other hand, in a situation where I set up an ambush of 9 orcs against the same party at 4th level (and, as mentioned before, you really have to set it up carefully, since it's not like the orcs can hide or sneak), the party still lost a character to a lucky critical in the first round.&nbsp; But the off chance of a lucky x3 critical is hardly a basis for assigning a higher CR, in my opinion.&nbsp; On the whole, it was a level-appropriate challenge where one party member happened to get unlucky, after the whole party had been foolish by ignoring some shriekers (which is how the orcs managed to ambush them in the first place).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dr_Rictus, post: 412562, member: 850"] When my group of D&D newbies was level 1 (not that long ago)? The 2 orcs would probably have fallen over from a [i]color spray[/i] in the first round, and they'd have been lucky to even [i]hit[/i] the halfling barbarian in the front line before that happened. The ranger in the other half of the front line might've had a problem, except he probably would have shot one of the 2 orcs to death before they even reached him. On the other hand, in a situation where I set up an ambush of 9 orcs against the same party at 4th level (and, as mentioned before, you really have to set it up carefully, since it's not like the orcs can hide or sneak), the party still lost a character to a lucky critical in the first round. But the off chance of a lucky x3 critical is hardly a basis for assigning a higher CR, in my opinion. On the whole, it was a level-appropriate challenge where one party member happened to get unlucky, after the whole party had been foolish by ignoring some shriekers (which is how the orcs managed to ambush them in the first place). [/QUOTE]

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