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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 3647899" data-attributes="member: 2205">Very early Greece wasn't a superstitious backwater.  They went toe to toe with the Hittite Empire and were considered equals.  Also, if you're talking about Huns and anyone earlier than the Romans in the same breath, I'm afraid you've very much lost me with whatever metaphor you're trying to establish.  The Huns didn't exist in Western knowledge until fairly late in the Roman empire timeline when they burst into Pannonia, looted and killed a bunch of Romans and then were beat at the Cataulanian Fields (or however you spell that) and then were very quickly absorbed into the Roman structure.Perhaps that's because you are very much mischaracterizing Tolkien's orcs.  Yes, they were savage primitive barbarians who pillaged the civilized world, and there's even cases of orc rape in The Lay of Leithien.I dunno; this whole discussion about orcs as a metaphor for racism and colonialism is something you may do in your campaign (or Doug MacCrae) but it's not at all something that's inherent in the fluff of the game.  I'm not buying that at all, especially combined with a rejection of a Tolkien origin for orcs.  That's truly one of the most bizarre theories I've heard in a really long time.That's true; in my current campaign I'm going for a much more "realistic" fantasy.  A very low fantasy, dark fantasy, grim n gritty, and I very much prefer that in general.  But I can dig a mythological feel, but I don't this so generic mythological whatever it is you're positing.  What mythology does it resemble?  I'm not sure.  What mythological creature comes in wild hordes of ravening barbarians?  Mythological monsters tend in almost every culture to be more like singular entities.I honestly don't know what you mean by mythological, unless you mean "has a Tolkien feel."  But that would be counter to what you're actually saying, so I'm confused.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

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