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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 2423404" data-attributes="member: 463">I remember when I actually rechecked LOTR I was surprised to discover that Sauron's big fighting orcs are _not_, as far as I can see, referred to as Uruk-Hai by Tolkien, but as &quot;Black Oruks of Mordor&quot; and similar.&nbsp; Other writers seem to have incorrectly confused them with the half-human half-orc Uruk-Hai bred by Saruman, and this stuck.&nbsp; Incidentally although Tolkien was far too discrete to pry into the details of exactly how Saruman produced his half-orcs, I'm pretty darn sure he wasn't thinking of them springing fully formed from cysts in the ground!&nbsp; As others have said, that would make Saruman capable of independent creation and would have gone against the whole ethos of Tolkien's work.&nbsp; I thought Peter Jackson's approach was silly and immature; not that he needed to show human women giving birth to half-orcs, but the way he did it really bugged me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 2423404, member: 463"] I remember when I actually rechecked LOTR I was surprised to discover that Sauron's big fighting orcs are _not_, as far as I can see, referred to as Uruk-Hai by Tolkien, but as "Black Oruks of Mordor" and similar. Other writers seem to have incorrectly confused them with the half-human half-orc Uruk-Hai bred by Saruman, and this stuck. Incidentally although Tolkien was far too discrete to pry into the details of exactly how Saruman produced his half-orcs, I'm pretty darn sure he wasn't thinking of them springing fully formed from cysts in the ground! As others have said, that would make Saruman capable of independent creation and would have gone against the whole ethos of Tolkien's work. I thought Peter Jackson's approach was silly and immature; not that he needed to show human women giving birth to half-orcs, but the way he did it really bugged me. [/QUOTE]

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