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<blockquote data-quote="Pickaxe" data-source="post: 2839881" data-attributes="member: 10812">I disagree. First, if we want to argue according to the literal RAW, &quot;includes&quot; does not equal &quot;includes all,&quot; so don't assume that a sheep-herding dog is equivalent to a riding dog. Border collies and shelties are working dogs, and I can't imagine either as a size M creature that can serve as a mount for a halfling. Those two breeds are clearly very different from a Saint Bernard; should they have the same stats?Regarding the OP, it would be helpful to know the circumstances of the encounter. Is this village in an area habitually raided by orcs, or are these orcs part of a new incursion? This would have an impact on the preparedness of the villagers. If the former, many of the assumptions reagarding defenses others have mentioned would apply, and I would even suggest that some of the commoners would have levels. If the latter, I imagine that the orcs would have a great advantage, even in their smaller numbers, due to their higher abilities, better armor, and being able to ambush a relatively unaware population.--Axe</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pickaxe, post: 2839881, member: 10812"] I disagree. First, if we want to argue according to the literal RAW, "includes" does not equal "includes all," so don't assume that a sheep-herding dog is equivalent to a riding dog. Border collies and shelties are working dogs, and I can't imagine either as a size M creature that can serve as a mount for a halfling. Those two breeds are clearly very different from a Saint Bernard; should they have the same stats? Regarding the OP, it would be helpful to know the circumstances of the encounter. Is this village in an area habitually raided by orcs, or are these orcs part of a new incursion? This would have an impact on the preparedness of the villagers. If the former, many of the assumptions reagarding defenses others have mentioned would apply, and I would even suggest that some of the commoners would have levels. If the latter, I imagine that the orcs would have a great advantage, even in their smaller numbers, due to their higher abilities, better armor, and being able to ambush a relatively unaware population. --Axe [/QUOTE]

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