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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 954639" data-attributes="member: 8461">It's not our place to say that. Nothing authoritative says they are exceptions.I disagree. The ENnies don't discuss canonity, so anything they've had to say on that doesn't apply here.You misunderstand. Canonity only comes into play when various sources are part of a unified universe/multiverse. Nothing says that all d20 sources are part of such a multiverse, ergo, there is no "canon d20". That's what I meant.Individual campaigns are not relevant to discussions of canon.Presenting a notion is not the same thing as saying something is true. Likewise, this doesn't make those other campaigns canon anyway, since they do not come from an authoritative source.KoK is canon for D&D.Incorrect. There is a single D&D canon. The canonity being anything that WotC prints; canonity is defined as being material that comes from a single source, and is authoritative because it comes from that source alone, and all else does not. Even if that bit about the MotP is true (note the "if" - I want a citation there), it doesn't change canonity.That is merely your opinion on the matter; nothing equates that shared mechanics must be a shared reality.However, this is, as you said, just what you think; canonity is about the things that are beyond personal opinions.How exactly is that my own definition. I never once said that. You did. Likewise, OGC is not the very essence of canon for d20 because all things d20 as a whole cannot have a single unifying canon - canonity is only established through framework of setting, not mechanics.This arguement of yours would imply that there can be no Forgotten Realms canon, since nothing of FR is OGC, but there obviously is FR canonity. Ergo, your statement must then be flawed.So far you've mentioned nothing related to canonity, however.Incorrect. As I've explained above, things that are OGC are not related at all to what is canon or not. Canonity only applies when compared to a specific setting - and only when it comes from that setting's authoritative source. Nothing you have mentioned there has anything to do with that. You're making up terms and definitions as you go along to make an artificial distinction.Once again, OGC has nothing to do with how canon something is. For WotC's setting, they set the canonity - it doesn't have to be OGC.There is no d20 canon because canonity is something that exists for a setting. There is a Star Trek canon, a Forgotten Realms canon, a Wheel of Time canon, a Scarred Lands canon, etc. But d20 is just a group of mechanics for use, not a specific setting unto itself. Ergo, there is no "d20 canon". There is a D&D canon because the carious campaigns of D&D exist in one universe, and there are examples of them blending into each other, in-game examples (references to characters from other campaigns, etc). Simply having campaigns use the d20 system is not an example of cross-campaign pollination, and thus is not indicative of any holistic "d20 canon".</blockquote>

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