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<blockquote data-quote="Cernor" data-source="post: 6580726" data-attributes="member: 6780066"><p>If the spider's poison causes a failed death save, then you've neatly danced around the reason the spider has poison, regardless of whether or not the damage is simultaneous. The damage of the poison is secondary to the fact that the poison is meant to stabilize the PC and keep them paralyzed.</p><p></p><p>Spiders aren't interested in killing you, at least not in open combat. They'd rather drop you to 0 so you're stable and paralyzed, then drag you off to its lair, wrap you up, and drain you dry while you're still fresh (like Shelob!). If the poison caused a failed death save, then the spiders might be deprived of a perfectly good meal for no reason other than <em>the dice made them do too much bite damage</em>, and they then have no way to otherwise stabilize the creature (other than careful application of their poison). Unless the bite causes instant death via massive damage, I'd personally rule that the poison's effects that take place upon dropping a creature to 0 hit points also take effect when damaging a creature that's already at 0 hit points.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cernor, post: 6580726, member: 6780066"] If the spider's poison causes a failed death save, then you've neatly danced around the reason the spider has poison, regardless of whether or not the damage is simultaneous. The damage of the poison is secondary to the fact that the poison is meant to stabilize the PC and keep them paralyzed. Spiders aren't interested in killing you, at least not in open combat. They'd rather drop you to 0 so you're stable and paralyzed, then drag you off to its lair, wrap you up, and drain you dry while you're still fresh (like Shelob!). If the poison caused a failed death save, then the spiders might be deprived of a perfectly good meal for no reason other than [I]the dice made them do too much bite damage[/I], and they then have no way to otherwise stabilize the creature (other than careful application of their poison). Unless the bite causes instant death via massive damage, I'd personally rule that the poison's effects that take place upon dropping a creature to 0 hit points also take effect when damaging a creature that's already at 0 hit points. [/QUOTE]
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