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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Omertalvendetta" data-source="post: 5155938" data-attributes="member: 88821">So... another one for the masses... if my Barbarian character takes Headman's Chop as a feat, and I'm wielding a glaive, and I use Hammer Fall, for example, which is a power that knocks someone prone, does that attack get the additional 5 damage from the feat in that attack, or would it be subsequent attacks? What's the order of events here... is the enemy knocked prone first thereby allowing your extra damage, or do you deal damage, and then they're knocked prone. We're mainly wondering this as we just recently also faced a Dire Wolf... which has...Bite (standard; at-will)+10 vs. AC; 1d8 + 4 damage, or 2d8 + 4 damage against a pronetarget.Combat AdvantageThe dire wolf gains combat advantage against a target that hasone or more of the dire wolf’s allies adjacent to it. If the direwolf has combat advantage against the target, the target is alsoknocked prone on a hit.By what I mentioned above, the monster bites and if it has combat advantage, it would also knock the PC prone... would it the 2d8 + 4 damage because it knocked it prone when? during the attack, after the attack? I hope my scenarios make sense.  I'm merely curious as to if you have a power that knocks someone prone, and an ability that allows you to deal extra damage to prone targets, whether that extra damage is included in the attack that knocked them prone, or if it would be on the next attack...  imho, if you have to wait till a subsequent attack to deal extra damage, that makes the dire wolf's ability (if it's not riding in packs with other dire wolves, that is) completely useless.  If this is also the case, it would make it useless for my Barbarian to take Headman's Chop as I'd never deal the extra damage... I'd merely knock the target prone, and they'd get up, negating my "I'll deal extra damage next attack...". I realize it'd benefit the party, but it would certainly be useless to me... so... help? What should be the order of events...?</blockquote>

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