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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tidus4444" data-source="post: 862205" data-attributes="member: 9297">Without the Bracers, you drop to +28//; without the Periapt and Gloves, you lose 6 more, dropping to +22//.OTOH, a Fighter(12) could have (start with a 17 strength, add 2 for half-orc, add 3 for levels, add 6 from a Belt; that's a 28 Strength) a +23// AB (+12/bab, +9/str, +1/focus, +1/weapon).Let's give him the Sharktooth Staff from Savage Species (a nifty idea for a weapon IMO).  It'd be 2H for him, and does 2d6 damage -- plus the free grapple attempts when he hits someone.  Criticals on 20, for x3.If it's ... say ... "+1, keen" (yes, it's a slashing weapon), and our fighter has Improved Critical, the critical range goes to 17-20 (and could go to 15-20, if we instead went Fighter/weaponmaster).  That's a +2 weapon.Damage is 2d6+16.With GMW on the sword (hey, of the OotBI gets it on bow AND on arrows, why not once on the staff, hmm?), damage goes to 2d6+20, and AB goes to +27//.Throw in the Improved Sunder feat, maybe go for Knockdown, definitely get Power Lunge -- and buy some Rhino Hide armor.  Anyone on the wrong end of this staff, is in for a world of hurt -- because, here's how it goes:Round one, "Sharkie" pulls a charge out.  AB +29, Damage rises to 4d6+66, or on a critical, 8d6+132 (a double and a triple is a quadruple, and all that).If that hits, it definitely triggers Knockdown (by a wide, safe margin, even with minimum damage).  Further, per the weapon, the hit triggers a free grapple.There is a very good chance the target of this attack, if not a similarly-twinked strength-based fighter, is going to end up grappled -- possibly grappled and PRONE.Next round, full attack option ... just deal damage automatically with each attack, at 2d6+20.  Just as the weapon says.So, you see, it's possible to twink a melee fighter out, too.(and I rather like that "first blush" look above, I may have to try it in an arena somewhere ... heh!)Except the Bow, in melee, isn't strictly a weapon, and so the odds of hitting IT, as opposed to the sharktooth staff above, are much better -- no opposed rolls involved, just an AC of 10 to 15.  Power attack, anyone?Largely the problem with the character comes, not form the class, but from the stacking of bow +'s and arrow +'s.  I favor "bows are + to hit, arrows are + to damage, each costs half as much as a melee weapon" -- that way a Bow +2 and fifty arrows +2 cost as much as a sword +2; the drawback to counter the range advantage becomes: you run out of +2 arrows, eventually.But OotBI isn't that powerful; now, Deepwood Sniper ... that's pushing it (hard).  MULTIPLE archery PrCs on the same character, is where things get broken. </blockquote>You make fair points about the dispel magic.  I forgot that.  And yes, it's true you can twink any character to exorbant level.  However, as it has already been stated, this character that I made wasn't really a twink so much as a logical extension of the ootbi abilities.  It didn't feature as much outlandish equipment or other books for that matter.  Just core and Sword and Fist.[/QUOTE]

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