Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
ShortQuests -- Pocket Sized Adventures! An all-new collection of digest-sized D&D adventures designed for 1-2 game sessions.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Terramotus" data-source="post: 1258173" data-attributes="member: 7220">I've been looking at the new Order of the Bow Initiate from the Complete Warrior, and I'm having difficulty finding a reason to take the class beyond level 2, for the Close Combat Shot.  The chief change lies in the change of the Ranged Sneak Attack ability for the Ranged Precision ability.It now grants an extra 1d8 points of damage per odd numbered level to a single attack used as a standard action.  The target no longer has to be flat footed or have lost his dex bonus to AC, but the target cannot be immune to critical hits.  By my reading of this ability, an archer wouldn't be able to combine Manyshot with this one, not to have multiple instances of the ability, but just to get off an extra unmodified shot.Given this, I'm having difficulty finding a point in time where I'd want to use this ability.  It might be nice against something with high DR that I can't beat, but using the Manyshot feat I can generally beat it out damage-wise.Given this, if I take this class past 2nd level, I get Greater Weapon Focus and I save a feat I would have spent on manyshot.  Compare that to the Ranger where I'd get more skill points, better class abilities, more spells, and a bonus archery feat.  If it still had the Zen Archery ability allowing you to add wisdom to dex for attacks it might be worth it, but from my point of view this class is now subpar vs either a fighter or a ranger build after 2nd level.  Is there something I'm missing?</blockquote>

Verification