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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DreadPirateMurphy" data-source="post: 4484247" data-attributes="member: 20715">The ONLY reason we have due process in the legal system is because humans make mistakes.  Trials are supposed to determine guilt fairly.  99% of the debate you get about due process and criminal vs. victim rights only matters because trials are expensive and time consuming, and we would do away with them if doing so wouldn't make the system completely unfair and unpredictable.V and Elan do not live in the real world.  The rules of their world are more obvious, and there is a single authority in the form of the DM who dictates the nature of reality.  V knows based on the rules that govern the game that Kubota had to be a big bad by virtue of the circumstances and what Elan was doing.  V can figure these things out because the elf is a high-intelligence wizard with, presumably, maxed out Knowledge (metagaming) skills.V's actions are true neutral, because they are completely self-centered without violating the spirit of the surrounding morality.If ELAN killed Kubota, then that would be EVIL.  Why?  Elan doesn't have the brains to add up all of the facts of the situation and take unilateral action.  He needs to hand villains over for somebody else to decide what to do.  (Also, Elan undoubtedly has a problem with the fact that V's actions do not fit the dramatic stereotype of the hero.)Why are the rules different for smart people?  Because these people live in a game where smarts, and strength, and good looks, are all easily quantified and provide specific capabilities, like dropping meteor swarms on people.If that isn't good enough of an argument, then consider it differently.  V is trying to quite literally save the world.  Arguably, if V was in PRISON, and had to kill guards to escape if that was the only way to save the world, then that is morally correct.  Again, keep in mind that the gray area in the game world is a lot narrower than in the real world.  As long as V didn't go out of the way to kill unnecessarily, and didn't take joy in the task, then I wouldn't call that evil.The threat of the Snarl is not trivial.  IT UNMADE THE WORLD and KILLED GODS.  The lich who is after controlling it has repeatedly been willing to do horrifying things for FUN.  Furthermore, the OOTS is the only group that can save the world, because they are the PCs and the Dungeon Master set the plot in motion for them to do so!If you know somebody is evil and guilty of crimes, and could delay you from saving the life of every creature on the planet, then disintegrate away, elf buddy.  Especially if they have facial hair.</blockquote>

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