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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4486521" data-attributes="member: 35909">I wasn't talking about the oots universe specifically, but I suppose i should.&nbsp; Where do you get &quot;the crimes a BBEG is guilty of are generally punishable by death in the OotS universe&quot; from?&nbsp; Nale went to prison.&nbsp; Belkar wasn't murdered on the spot for killing that guard.&nbsp; In fact, I think in oots, location matters, and it matters quite a bit.&nbsp; I'm trying to think, but other than Belkar (and the war, obviously), I can't recall once that the party has killed a sentient being inside a town/city.&nbsp; Some times in the wilderness and ruins/dungeons, but they seem more keen to take enemies alive when in the midst of civilization.&nbsp; Why does this matter?&nbsp; Elan had Kubota on the Azurite's ship.&nbsp; For all purposes, this is just as much a society as Azure City was, and I'm sure they have laws they uphold.&nbsp; I'd be willing to bet that giving accused persons some sort of trial, like the law had it in Azure City, is one of those laws.&nbsp; That may be an important difference.&nbsp; Kubota could have been given to the rightful authorities, and V murdered him in an area with laws against that.I wasn't comparing the events of oots to that issue, I was comparing your line of ethical argument, being stuck on the chaotic parts of the action and somehow thinking that because it's chaotic it's not also possibly evil.&nbsp; In both situations, both you and that player were basically arguing that because the murder was &quot;chaotic&quot; -- in his case random violence, in the strip's case not wanting to deal with legal proceedings -- that's the end of it.&nbsp; No consideration on the good/evil axis.&nbsp; That side note had nothing to do with the comic itself.It's not an entirely valid metagame reason.&nbsp; Being good isn't easy, and the good choice is often not the expedient, simple, or &quot;fun&quot; one.&nbsp; Just because V found killing Kubota to be more efficient does not make the act non-evil.&nbsp; If we could get rid of a major disease by simply murdering every single person with that disease, it's still evil even if it's more efficient than spending untold decades trying to find a cure as scores die from it anyway.&nbsp; Well, most people would call it evil, at least.I'm not saying this one act made V evil, but (s)he did commit an evil act.&nbsp; And yes, a chaotic one, too.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4486521, member: 35909"] I wasn't talking about the oots universe specifically, but I suppose i should. Where do you get "the crimes a BBEG is guilty of are generally punishable by death in the OotS universe" from? Nale went to prison. Belkar wasn't murdered on the spot for killing that guard. In fact, I think in oots, location matters, and it matters quite a bit. I'm trying to think, but other than Belkar (and the war, obviously), I can't recall once that the party has killed a sentient being inside a town/city. Some times in the wilderness and ruins/dungeons, but they seem more keen to take enemies alive when in the midst of civilization. Why does this matter? Elan had Kubota on the Azurite's ship. For all purposes, this is just as much a society as Azure City was, and I'm sure they have laws they uphold. I'd be willing to bet that giving accused persons some sort of trial, like the law had it in Azure City, is one of those laws. That may be an important difference. Kubota could have been given to the rightful authorities, and V murdered him in an area with laws against that. I wasn't comparing the events of oots to that issue, I was comparing your line of ethical argument, being stuck on the chaotic parts of the action and somehow thinking that because it's chaotic it's not also possibly evil. In both situations, both you and that player were basically arguing that because the murder was "chaotic" -- in his case random violence, in the strip's case not wanting to deal with legal proceedings -- that's the end of it. No consideration on the good/evil axis. That side note had nothing to do with the comic itself. It's not an entirely valid metagame reason. Being good isn't easy, and the good choice is often not the expedient, simple, or "fun" one. Just because V found killing Kubota to be more efficient does not make the act non-evil. If we could get rid of a major disease by simply murdering every single person with that disease, it's still evil even if it's more efficient than spending untold decades trying to find a cure as scores die from it anyway. Well, most people would call it evil, at least. I'm not saying this one act made V evil, but (s)he did commit an evil act. And yes, a chaotic one, too. [/QUOTE]

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