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<blockquote data-quote="Gez" data-source="post: 911004" data-attributes="member: 1328">One of the balance of these spellcasting classes is in their spell list. They suck. Compare, just for laughing a bit, a spell like animate fire and, say, a spell like summon monster 3 used to summon a small Fire elemental. Roughly the same effect, save that:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">SM3 may summons a wide variety of other creatures;</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Including several creatures if you want;</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">SM3 don't have a cumbersome material component (you have to have a large fire nearby for AF);</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Your creature summoned through SM3 may be placed anywhere, while the fire animated start where the material component is;</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">A Small Animated Object, even with the Burn ability and immunity to fire, is puny compared to a Small Fire Elemental. </li>
</ul>And for starters, SM3 isn't a terribly powerful spell...And this is just an example -- you can take several others. Look at scales of the lizard and compare it to shield or mage armor, for example. Its only redeeming feature is that it may stack with them both. Or look at fire eyes, to get another example of useless spell.In short, the only powerful and frequently useful spells they have are those they share with the cleric, druid, or wizard...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gez, post: 911004, member: 1328"] One of the balance of these spellcasting classes is in their spell list. They suck. Compare, just for laughing a bit, a spell like [i]animate fire[/i] and, say, a spell like [i]summon monster 3[/i] used to summon a small Fire elemental. Roughly the same effect, save that: [list] [*][i]SM3[/i] may summons a wide variety of other creatures; [*]Including several creatures if you want; [*][i]SM3[/i] don't have a cumbersome material component (you have to have a large fire nearby for [i]AF[/i]); [*]Your creature summoned through [i]SM3[/i] may be placed anywhere, while the fire animated start where the material component is; [*]A Small Animated Object, even with the Burn ability and immunity to fire, is puny compared to a Small Fire Elemental. [/list] And for starters, [i]SM3[/i] isn't a terribly powerful spell... And this is just an example -- you can take several others. Look at [i]scales of the lizard[/i] and compare it to [i]shield[/i] or [i]mage armor[/i], for example. Its only redeeming feature is that it may stack with them both. Or look at [i]fire eyes[/i], to get another example of useless spell. In short, the only powerful and frequently useful spells they have are those they share with the cleric, druid, or wizard... [/QUOTE]

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