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<blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 6251909" data-attributes="member: 9037"><p>I like the idea of a send off for the older characters. Now that I am in my mid 50s I get tired of every movie and every show being dominated by twenty somethings. A perfect movie would be the older actors in positions of authority with the younger cast being the action heroes. </p><p></p><p>As for JJ Trek they are not Trek plain and simple they are generic scifi action popcorn flicks. Hobo's opinion aside the majority of Trek fans like the preachy message of Trek. I grew up om scifi that had a message. Looking back on the SF from the 60s and 70s many writers were using it to address the issues facing society of that day. They were morality plays and that was how Roddenberry envisioned Trek. Yes it was supposed to be exciting and full of adventure but it was supposed to have a message of hope that no we were not going to blow ourselves up. That there would be race and sexual equality all three of those were big topic issues back in the 60s. </p><p></p><p>Personally DS9 is my favorite Trek I think it has the best writing and the most character development. Voyager had so much potential but the writers could not find a voice for the show they kept chickening out with stories. For example thew Maquis and the Starfleet crew were not supposed to get along as soon as they did. Enterprise had issues but fourth season was really good under Manny Coto it was a shame they never gave it a chance.</p><p></p><p> JJ version missed so much. With the exception of Karl Urban and John Cho most of the characters were caricatures of the original characters. Simon Pegg was way over the top they did tone him down in the second movie. Chekov did not look like a 17 year old and the whole gag with his security code having two Vs in it was ham handed. Not to mention the horrible plot of instead of warning my planet we are going to hang around 25 years and destroy the federation and punish Spock because somehow it was the Federation's fault that a supernova a natural phenomena destroyed their home planet. I can go and on and on but I won't.</p><p></p><p>Not every SF story needs to be a morality tale but Trek should have it. </p><p></p><p>The BSG reboot was some excellent drama wrapped in a scifi coating. As a long time fan I did understand why so many old time fans were upset. We wanted a continuation not a reboot. The original show viewed now is cheesy it is very much a product of its time. But when it came on it blew me away it had theatrical special effects. It had some lame episodes but at the time they didn't seem that lame. Originally it was supposed to be a series of movies. But the ratings were so good the network made the decision to go to a series format which was a mistake. It was to expensive to do the special effects hence the reuse of effects from the pilot. </p><p></p><p>I like SG1 and Atlantis. I wanted to like SGU but for the most part I found it boring. I do know that they alienated a lot of Atlantis fan who felt that the show was pushed aside for SGU.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I like a lot of JJ shows I liked Fringe, Lost, Alias. When I saw his version of Trek I nicknamed them Trek Wars because I felt like I was watching a Trek movie that was made as a Star Wars film. I said at the time that he would make a good Star Wars film. I hope that it turns out that I was right.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elf Witch, post: 6251909, member: 9037"] I like the idea of a send off for the older characters. Now that I am in my mid 50s I get tired of every movie and every show being dominated by twenty somethings. A perfect movie would be the older actors in positions of authority with the younger cast being the action heroes. As for JJ Trek they are not Trek plain and simple they are generic scifi action popcorn flicks. Hobo's opinion aside the majority of Trek fans like the preachy message of Trek. I grew up om scifi that had a message. Looking back on the SF from the 60s and 70s many writers were using it to address the issues facing society of that day. They were morality plays and that was how Roddenberry envisioned Trek. Yes it was supposed to be exciting and full of adventure but it was supposed to have a message of hope that no we were not going to blow ourselves up. That there would be race and sexual equality all three of those were big topic issues back in the 60s. Personally DS9 is my favorite Trek I think it has the best writing and the most character development. Voyager had so much potential but the writers could not find a voice for the show they kept chickening out with stories. For example thew Maquis and the Starfleet crew were not supposed to get along as soon as they did. Enterprise had issues but fourth season was really good under Manny Coto it was a shame they never gave it a chance. JJ version missed so much. With the exception of Karl Urban and John Cho most of the characters were caricatures of the original characters. Simon Pegg was way over the top they did tone him down in the second movie. Chekov did not look like a 17 year old and the whole gag with his security code having two Vs in it was ham handed. Not to mention the horrible plot of instead of warning my planet we are going to hang around 25 years and destroy the federation and punish Spock because somehow it was the Federation's fault that a supernova a natural phenomena destroyed their home planet. I can go and on and on but I won't. Not every SF story needs to be a morality tale but Trek should have it. The BSG reboot was some excellent drama wrapped in a scifi coating. As a long time fan I did understand why so many old time fans were upset. We wanted a continuation not a reboot. The original show viewed now is cheesy it is very much a product of its time. But when it came on it blew me away it had theatrical special effects. It had some lame episodes but at the time they didn't seem that lame. Originally it was supposed to be a series of movies. But the ratings were so good the network made the decision to go to a series format which was a mistake. It was to expensive to do the special effects hence the reuse of effects from the pilot. I like SG1 and Atlantis. I wanted to like SGU but for the most part I found it boring. I do know that they alienated a lot of Atlantis fan who felt that the show was pushed aside for SGU. I like a lot of JJ shows I liked Fringe, Lost, Alias. When I saw his version of Trek I nicknamed them Trek Wars because I felt like I was watching a Trek movie that was made as a Star Wars film. I said at the time that he would make a good Star Wars film. I hope that it turns out that I was right. [/QUOTE]
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