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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7261920" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Ok, but that isn't actually an origin story. That's a story about something that has already happened. It doesn't tell me anything about how the stuff came to be. Your story begins In Media Res, and you even acknowledge it when you say, "already-existing powerful beings..." Ok, so where did those already existing powerful beings come from? From within the universe or without it? Has the universe always existed giving rise to these new worlds for all eternity, or does it have a beginning? </p><p></p><p>Evolution isn't an origin. It's a process that happens to something that exists. For example, evolution, from a biological perspective, is something that happens to life and runs within processes that pertain to life. That is to say, evolution cannot actually exist without life, and comes into being as soon as life exists, but it doesn't explain life because it is a property pertaining to life. </p><p></p><p>In your case, any origin story would have to explain where the magic comes from.</p><p></p><p>Or to put it another way, to say that there are billions and billions of years of development adds very little to the story. So little in fact that it could well be a property of my story without contradicting anything I said about my world. From the time of the beginning of my story to the time that History begins with the ripening of the first fruit of the Great Tree, may well have been billions of years and during that time their might have been all sorts of 'development' and 'evolution' 'pushed forward by magic' and by 'already-existing powerful beings mucking about'. But none of that is part of the origin, but a part of 'chapter 2' (as it were), 'what happened after the beginning'.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7261920, member: 4937"] Ok, but that isn't actually an origin story. That's a story about something that has already happened. It doesn't tell me anything about how the stuff came to be. Your story begins In Media Res, and you even acknowledge it when you say, "already-existing powerful beings..." Ok, so where did those already existing powerful beings come from? From within the universe or without it? Has the universe always existed giving rise to these new worlds for all eternity, or does it have a beginning? Evolution isn't an origin. It's a process that happens to something that exists. For example, evolution, from a biological perspective, is something that happens to life and runs within processes that pertain to life. That is to say, evolution cannot actually exist without life, and comes into being as soon as life exists, but it doesn't explain life because it is a property pertaining to life. In your case, any origin story would have to explain where the magic comes from. Or to put it another way, to say that there are billions and billions of years of development adds very little to the story. So little in fact that it could well be a property of my story without contradicting anything I said about my world. From the time of the beginning of my story to the time that History begins with the ripening of the first fruit of the Great Tree, may well have been billions of years and during that time their might have been all sorts of 'development' and 'evolution' 'pushed forward by magic' and by 'already-existing powerful beings mucking about'. But none of that is part of the origin, but a part of 'chapter 2' (as it were), 'what happened after the beginning'. [/QUOTE]
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