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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 8723857" data-attributes="member: 710"><p>I kinda expected this to be a twist - she decides to go back, takes her toys with her, and hands them out to her people, and sees how everything goes bad. And then, when the quantum core bombs hit the city, the simulation ends, and Kelly explains that they knew what she was doing and decided to let her see the outcome for herself. </p><p>I guess it doesn't quite work, because the simulator works in real time and can't do fast forward. If they instead had some kind of virtual reality simulator where you just get some "neural headset" it would work better.</p><p></p><p>Wouldn't be surprised if something like this was the original idea but they couldn't make it work. </p><p></p><p>On a meta-level, obviously this is the fiction behind Star Trek's prime directive and Orville's cultural contamination restrictions.</p><p>But neither show really bothered to show the development. I imagine because that's atually difficult to write and show.</p><p></p><p>And perhaps... It's wrong? The claim is that social and technological development must and will happen hand in hand. I think to some extent it's true - to build nuclear bombs or reactors or the internet it's not enough to have one smart person in a basement. You need a lot of them, and they need a lot of resources that won't be made in their basement. This requires a level of social development where you can even collect such a "critical" mass of people that can build this, which requires a large social group that is able to support them so they can spend all their time with math and experiments rather than growing crops or fending off wild animals or whatever it is that might have plagued most humans in earlier times. </p><p></p><p>But does it mean we're socially also ready to use them responsible? We worried about a nuclear holocaust for half a century basically. To our credit - so far we averted it, despite a few close calls. Maybe we are more ready than we think? But we also have been very slow to deal with climate catastrophe, and the jury is still out that we can manage that - and that would suggest our technological development was too fast for us. </p><p>So, I don't know? </p><p></p><p>Either way, actually telling that story of how a society destroys itself because it got its hand on alien tech might be worth doing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 8723857, member: 710"] I kinda expected this to be a twist - she decides to go back, takes her toys with her, and hands them out to her people, and sees how everything goes bad. And then, when the quantum core bombs hit the city, the simulation ends, and Kelly explains that they knew what she was doing and decided to let her see the outcome for herself. I guess it doesn't quite work, because the simulator works in real time and can't do fast forward. If they instead had some kind of virtual reality simulator where you just get some "neural headset" it would work better. Wouldn't be surprised if something like this was the original idea but they couldn't make it work. On a meta-level, obviously this is the fiction behind Star Trek's prime directive and Orville's cultural contamination restrictions. But neither show really bothered to show the development. I imagine because that's atually difficult to write and show. And perhaps... It's wrong? The claim is that social and technological development must and will happen hand in hand. I think to some extent it's true - to build nuclear bombs or reactors or the internet it's not enough to have one smart person in a basement. You need a lot of them, and they need a lot of resources that won't be made in their basement. This requires a level of social development where you can even collect such a "critical" mass of people that can build this, which requires a large social group that is able to support them so they can spend all their time with math and experiments rather than growing crops or fending off wild animals or whatever it is that might have plagued most humans in earlier times. But does it mean we're socially also ready to use them responsible? We worried about a nuclear holocaust for half a century basically. To our credit - so far we averted it, despite a few close calls. Maybe we are more ready than we think? But we also have been very slow to deal with climate catastrophe, and the jury is still out that we can manage that - and that would suggest our technological development was too fast for us. So, I don't know? Either way, actually telling that story of how a society destroys itself because it got its hand on alien tech might be worth doing. [/QUOTE]
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