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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7633843" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>I don't agree, and to extent that I do agree it's relative. Some games have more crap rules than others.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok, I do agree with that, but that seems to in fact support my argument rather than overturn it. If rules don't bring fun to the table, why do we need to faithfully recreate BECMI in not only its good parts (theater of the mind combat rules) or AD&D, but in its warts and problems as well? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>All of that makes some sense, but doesn't really answer my question. Also, I never end up with less than about 30 pages of house rules for anything. I have like 600 for 3e D&D and I'd love to have thousands if I really had time to rewrite everything to make it the way I wanted it. That I confess is a quirk and perhaps weakness of mine, but - and yes this is arrogant - I really do believe that in many cases I can write better rules than the original authors (especially since unlike them, I'm not under a deadline to publish). It would be a condemnable attitude except, my players tend to agree with me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Only one person possibly - mine. And I do hear you that I come off as a troll, but I find what comes off as a troll is much like that ice cream example. Many people that think I come off as a troll, are themselves people I think come off as a troll. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why not? I'd be perfectly fine with that. I might even commiserate with your frustration. Heck, I've even written rants about how bad 3.5 D&D is (you should know, my rules set is based on the far superior 3.0e *grin*). You talk about how I seem like a troll because in your mind I'm challenging your preferences. But even if that is what I was doing, since they are preferences why should you care? Why is that offensive? And if all rules are crap in your opinion, when I say that a rules set is crap, why does that strike you as trolling? </p><p></p><p>In my opinion, if your response isn't some form of "Yes, but..." and instead is "You come off as a troll...". Well, you do the math.</p><p></p><p>For example, I would be perfectly happy (in another thread) to explain why I run 3.X based games despite the fact that it would appear balance between casters and non-casters is so poor, that you really only ought to play casters if you want to have any agency and spotlight. It's a perfectly valid criticism, and I'd be happy to address it without claiming that the person was trolling. Heck, if you even started with the idea that if I ran 3.X it must be because as a player I was biased toward casters and hated non-casters, I'd be even willing to address that charge and I'd only feel you were being rude about it if, after having been given a reasonable explanation you still insisted I was biased in favor of casters. Fair warning, the last time I was in such a discussion, the guy started with the angry charge that I hated non-casters because I ran 3.X, and midway into the discussion began making charges that the way I ran the game was unfair because it made casters pointless. So some people are just going to hate unreasonably. I try not to be that person.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7633843, member: 4937"] I don't agree, and to extent that I do agree it's relative. Some games have more crap rules than others. Ok, I do agree with that, but that seems to in fact support my argument rather than overturn it. If rules don't bring fun to the table, why do we need to faithfully recreate BECMI in not only its good parts (theater of the mind combat rules) or AD&D, but in its warts and problems as well? All of that makes some sense, but doesn't really answer my question. Also, I never end up with less than about 30 pages of house rules for anything. I have like 600 for 3e D&D and I'd love to have thousands if I really had time to rewrite everything to make it the way I wanted it. That I confess is a quirk and perhaps weakness of mine, but - and yes this is arrogant - I really do believe that in many cases I can write better rules than the original authors (especially since unlike them, I'm not under a deadline to publish). It would be a condemnable attitude except, my players tend to agree with me. Only one person possibly - mine. And I do hear you that I come off as a troll, but I find what comes off as a troll is much like that ice cream example. Many people that think I come off as a troll, are themselves people I think come off as a troll. Why not? I'd be perfectly fine with that. I might even commiserate with your frustration. Heck, I've even written rants about how bad 3.5 D&D is (you should know, my rules set is based on the far superior 3.0e *grin*). You talk about how I seem like a troll because in your mind I'm challenging your preferences. But even if that is what I was doing, since they are preferences why should you care? Why is that offensive? And if all rules are crap in your opinion, when I say that a rules set is crap, why does that strike you as trolling? In my opinion, if your response isn't some form of "Yes, but..." and instead is "You come off as a troll...". Well, you do the math. For example, I would be perfectly happy (in another thread) to explain why I run 3.X based games despite the fact that it would appear balance between casters and non-casters is so poor, that you really only ought to play casters if you want to have any agency and spotlight. It's a perfectly valid criticism, and I'd be happy to address it without claiming that the person was trolling. Heck, if you even started with the idea that if I ran 3.X it must be because as a player I was biased toward casters and hated non-casters, I'd be even willing to address that charge and I'd only feel you were being rude about it if, after having been given a reasonable explanation you still insisted I was biased in favor of casters. Fair warning, the last time I was in such a discussion, the guy started with the angry charge that I hated non-casters because I ran 3.X, and midway into the discussion began making charges that the way I ran the game was unfair because it made casters pointless. So some people are just going to hate unreasonably. I try not to be that person. [/QUOTE]
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