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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RingXero" data-source="post: 587103" data-attributes="member: 109">Lack of specific cites? well yeah, I know what it looks like.But I have an interesting situation.  I am good friends with DYFS workers(and their equivilants) and quite a few police officers and sherrifs in New Jersey, Florida, Arizona, Nebraska, Kansas, South Dakota, and Delaware areas.  I can only report on what they tell me.  They don't give me specifics, and I don't ask.  The situations of children I mentioned above come from discusstions that boil down to a friend telling me they had to take a kid away from a parent because some moron at a photo lab made an official complaint of 'child pornography'  the pictures usually are of kids streaking, or in the tub.  My friends know that it isn't an abusive situation, but the LAW in many states now leaves no wiggle room.  poof, kid gone for a few days for interviewing.  Now god forbid your kid acts 'strange' 'guilty' or 'depressed' this will usually require even longer stays.  From what they tell me, this usually happens a few times a year in each state, most of the time the kids are returned after a couple of days, but are sometimes kept longer (and in a couple of cases 2-3 years)My brother-in-law had a child 5 months ago here in Jersey.  The nurse that was there at the same time I was the next day specifically told him NOT to take pictures of the kid naked (just cover the private area with a blanket or something).  Now she isn't an authority on the subject at all and may be responding to 'urban legends' but it does fit in with what my friends at DYFS in NJ tell me what can happen.If I ask friends for specific case numbers and names (especially for something that is as trivial as a board discussion) that would drastically change our relationships, and I am not willing to do that.  Sure I know it sounds wishy washy, but all I can say is that these things happen, if you want to find out how many in a given area check with your local DYFS(or equivilant) about the statistics (say your a college student doing a report for school or something)The case in florida is an example of the system failing.  You say the mother didn't want her son to get three years in juv. detention, why should she?  In her view that is far too much time to just say 'ok' take my son away for 3 yrs because of an accident'.  The child should have never been tried as an adult, and 1st degree murder (with its required sentancing) should never have been considered.  It was an accident, and should have never of gotten this far. (sure it's on appeal, why wouldn't it be?) (even if the older child systematically bullied the younger, adult sentancing, murder 1 is ridiculous)My point is that the laws in this regard, and in many others leave NO CHOICE for officials, the 'grey area' has all but dissappeared.  Judges almost never use their power for 'wiggle' room in many of these cases mostly out of fear of the 1% chance that they may be wrong, the resulting damage to their career and assault by media is too much too overcome.  The people behind these agencies are usually good people who mean well, but the Laws, and fear of the press  (if by chane they were wrong) usually force their hands.  The concept of 'better 100 guilty men go free than to imprison 1 innocent man' is no longer used.  That is what there is to worry about, people saying 'if your innocent than you have nothing to worry about' are wrong.  I brought these things up in response to them, trying to show that innocence is not always a protection.  The government and it's agencies (state and federal) make mistakes, why on earth would anyone want to open themselves to that chance?  Government agencies need control and information to do their job well, the less freedoms and privacy the people have, the better they can do their job of protecting those people, but the more information they have the more chances are that somethings can go wrong.An argument can be made for a completely open society, with no privacy, that the window could go both ways.  but I try and not go too deep into the political on these boards.RX</blockquote>

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