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<blockquote data-quote="mac1504" data-source="post: 131327" data-attributes="member: 774"><p>Well I spent some time in a light infantry unit in the Army, and I worked with a lot of Rangers and Special Forces so I'll take a shot at answering your questions.</p><p></p><p>I think they probably stayed away from going to rooftops since I believe they were trying to stay mobile. The rangers and delta force members never had the intention of staying caught in the firefights that they got into- they were trying to get out of there. Rooftops are good places to start when clearing a building, but not always the best place when in a battle like that.</p><p></p><p>There is a bit of discussion in Mark Bowden's book (which I can't recommend enough) about the decisions to go in there. Obviously they negated one of America's premiere advantages in warfare right now: nightvision capabilities. American infantry and special forces train constantly with those devices, and when they decided to go in during the daytime they lost that advantage. </p><p></p><p>There are alot of little decisions similar that seem as if they were errors- but as we all know hindsight is 20/20. The thing is, they (intelligence and those in command) had the information that the guys they were looking for were going to be at a certain place at a certain time. They took a gamble, and unfortunately they lost good American soldiers. I'm sure those in command have lost plenty of nights worth of sleep because of their decisions (and I do believe that).</p><p></p><p>The biggest tragedy to me seems to be the way the Clinton administration treated the incident, by pulling out so soon afterwards without having finished the mission. And I think there are plenty of others in the military community that felt the same way, and I should know because I was in the military at the time and remembered the impact that day had on the rest of us not directly involved in the tragedy.</p><p></p><p>Just my two cents though, thanks for listening.</p><p></p><p>-mac1504</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mac1504, post: 131327, member: 774"] Well I spent some time in a light infantry unit in the Army, and I worked with a lot of Rangers and Special Forces so I'll take a shot at answering your questions. I think they probably stayed away from going to rooftops since I believe they were trying to stay mobile. The rangers and delta force members never had the intention of staying caught in the firefights that they got into- they were trying to get out of there. Rooftops are good places to start when clearing a building, but not always the best place when in a battle like that. There is a bit of discussion in Mark Bowden's book (which I can't recommend enough) about the decisions to go in there. Obviously they negated one of America's premiere advantages in warfare right now: nightvision capabilities. American infantry and special forces train constantly with those devices, and when they decided to go in during the daytime they lost that advantage. There are alot of little decisions similar that seem as if they were errors- but as we all know hindsight is 20/20. The thing is, they (intelligence and those in command) had the information that the guys they were looking for were going to be at a certain place at a certain time. They took a gamble, and unfortunately they lost good American soldiers. I'm sure those in command have lost plenty of nights worth of sleep because of their decisions (and I do believe that). The biggest tragedy to me seems to be the way the Clinton administration treated the incident, by pulling out so soon afterwards without having finished the mission. And I think there are plenty of others in the military community that felt the same way, and I should know because I was in the military at the time and remembered the impact that day had on the rest of us not directly involved in the tragedy. Just my two cents though, thanks for listening. -mac1504 [/QUOTE]
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