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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Leopold" data-source="post: 340788" data-attributes="member: 758">let me give you a brutal awakening in the computer world that most people learn once they hit business with a degree.Your piece of paper is equivalent to toliet paper. I use it for the same purpose.Why is that? Because in computer that college degree does not teach you how to diagnose computers, repair networks, debug routers, handle irate customer emails, rebuild the Win2k/*NIX server and install the various components therein and a million other things network techs do.A college degree gives you one thing that normal techs don't have: access to upper management jobs. If you have it you can go in the upper ranks, but for all us guys in the trenchs your degree is a handicap. It doesn't help the job one bit.You think your gonna be a sysadmin when you get out? HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH ::holds his side:: Stop please it hurts to laugh! Let's shatter that myth right now! Expect at LEAST 6 months in the trenches answering help desk phone "Help desk how can i help you?" type questions. Think your shiny paper is gonna avoid that? Nope. Not many companies will take someone with a paper degree and thrust them infront of their 50k+ servers and say "Oh that's broken fix it" without experience. Take your lumps in the trenches and see if it's what for you. Everyone's gotta do it and those that do it are stronger for it. Skip that phase and you will NEVER know what it's like and how to deal with the scream customer of "MY EMAIL IS BROKEN!!!" or "I CAN"T PRINT!!!!!!". It's a valuable learning step for all computer techs.My advice? Figure out what you want to do FOR SURE! If you want to be a tech monkey like some of us then get your bachelors in management and get your MCSE/CCNA as a base and you will be 10X more valuable to an employer than having a BA or an AS or any of a hundred degrees. Your degree gives you the key to upper management in big companies and that's where some of us guys with associates and no college run into the glass ceiling. Take the job makign $15/hr or whatever the first level phone grunt takes, as that is all your going to get even with MCSE/CCNA, because you have not been 'blooded' yet per se.Take it from me chief, if you want to work with computers and build/debunk/repair/whatever with them get your degree in management or just a degree it really doesn't matter (underwater hopscotch will do for most jobs!). If you want to program or code get your degree in that language. Doing anything else and your wasting your and your future employers time.LeopoldMCSE/CCNP</blockquote>

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