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[OT]Help me, Norway! Jeg har bestemt meg for a laere norsk.(gotta download the types!
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<blockquote data-quote="bondetamp" data-source="post: 594636" data-attributes="member: 193"><p><strong>[PLAIN]Re: [OT] Help me, Norway! Jeg bestemt laern Norsk.[/PLAIN]</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll start out with the two <em>written</em> languages:</p><p></p><p>As you may or may not know, Norway was under Danish rule for several hundred years, leaving quite a heritage in our language. During the 19th century when we were no longer under Denmark (we were given to Sweden after the Napoleonic war, Sweden being on the winning side and Denmark being on the losing. We were in a freer position under Sweden, though, having, among oter thing, our own parlament and constitution) there were some discussion about what to do about our language. Some people meant that we should continue using Danish, but making it into our own language by changing parts, while some felt that we should scrap Danish and make a new language based on Norwegian dialects. Both lines were followed and became, in time, the two languages we know today. Danish became Riksmål (I guess "National language" would be a fairly close translation) while another language was made based on the dialects and called Landsmål (which also means "National language" but in other words and with slightly different connotations. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />). During the 20th century, the government ried to change these two languages to be more similar to each others, the final goal being a full merger between the two. Riksmål became Bokmål (meaning "book language") while Landsmål became Nynorsk (meaning "New Norwegian"). The merged language was called Samnorsk (meaning "Merged norwegian") and was used for a few years in the fifties, sixties and seventies by the government but not very many other people.</p><p></p><p>So, we have no less than <em>five</em> slightly different languages, each fought for fanatically by their organizations. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>The two official languages, after Samnorsk was officially scrapped, as a concept, by the government last year after being dismantled for twenty years before that, are Bokmål and Nynorsk. Bokmål is (if I remember correctly) used by about 85-90% of the population, while the rest are using Nynorsk.</p><p></p><p>The differences are only slight; no native Norwegian, or anyone with a fair grasp of the language, will have any difficulties understanding both. The difference is somewhat larger than between British and American English but not much. Some words are different, and there are slight differences in the grammar. Nothing to worry about, though.</p><p></p><p>I would strongly sugest choosing Bokmål as the language to learn (or perhaps German or French, both which seem like better choices than Norwegian, but what do I know ... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />) since it is so dominant.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As I said, the differences are only slight.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Mostly. (as in, "I can't think of any different conjugations at the moment, but I'm tired, so that might be the reason." <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />)</p><p></p><p>We conjugate the verbs in Tempus, the nouns in number and sex and the pronouns in number, sex and case.</p><p></p><p>So:</p><p>Infinitive form = root + e <em>å kjøre</em> (to drive)</p><p>Presence = root + er <em>Jeg kjører</em> (I drive)</p><p>Preteritum = root + te or et <em>Jeg kjørte</em> (I drove) or <em>Jeg dyttet ham</em> (I pushed him)</p><p>Perfectum = root + t or et <em>Jeg har kjørt</em> (I have driven) or <em>Jeg har dyttet ham</em> (I have pushed him)</p><p></p><p>There are other endings too, but these are the most used verb endings for regular verb.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't have the facilities to do such recordings, I'm sorry.</p><p></p><p>If you ask somebody at the Norwegian Embassy, though, I'm sure they'll be able to help you find books and audio tapes, making it easier.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say with the title. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>"Jeg bestemt laern Norsk" is an odd construction, but I can try a guess.</p><p></p><p>If you mean "I have decided to learn Norwegian", the sentence should be "Jeg har bestemt meg for å lære norsk." (nationalities are not capitalized in Norwegian. Nor are they, oddly enough, conjugated.)</p><p></p><p>I hope my ramblings have helped at all ... feel free to ask more questions. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bondetamp, post: 594636, member: 193"] [b][PLAIN]Re: [OT] Help me, Norway! Jeg bestemt laern Norsk.[/PLAIN][/b] I'll start out with the two [i]written[/i] languages: As you may or may not know, Norway was under Danish rule for several hundred years, leaving quite a heritage in our language. During the 19th century when we were no longer under Denmark (we were given to Sweden after the Napoleonic war, Sweden being on the winning side and Denmark being on the losing. We were in a freer position under Sweden, though, having, among oter thing, our own parlament and constitution) there were some discussion about what to do about our language. Some people meant that we should continue using Danish, but making it into our own language by changing parts, while some felt that we should scrap Danish and make a new language based on Norwegian dialects. Both lines were followed and became, in time, the two languages we know today. Danish became Riksmål (I guess "National language" would be a fairly close translation) while another language was made based on the dialects and called Landsmål (which also means "National language" but in other words and with slightly different connotations. :)). During the 20th century, the government ried to change these two languages to be more similar to each others, the final goal being a full merger between the two. Riksmål became Bokmål (meaning "book language") while Landsmål became Nynorsk (meaning "New Norwegian"). The merged language was called Samnorsk (meaning "Merged norwegian") and was used for a few years in the fifties, sixties and seventies by the government but not very many other people. So, we have no less than [i]five[/i] slightly different languages, each fought for fanatically by their organizations. :) The two official languages, after Samnorsk was officially scrapped, as a concept, by the government last year after being dismantled for twenty years before that, are Bokmål and Nynorsk. Bokmål is (if I remember correctly) used by about 85-90% of the population, while the rest are using Nynorsk. The differences are only slight; no native Norwegian, or anyone with a fair grasp of the language, will have any difficulties understanding both. The difference is somewhat larger than between British and American English but not much. Some words are different, and there are slight differences in the grammar. Nothing to worry about, though. I would strongly sugest choosing Bokmål as the language to learn (or perhaps German or French, both which seem like better choices than Norwegian, but what do I know ... :p) since it is so dominant. As I said, the differences are only slight. Mostly. (as in, "I can't think of any different conjugations at the moment, but I'm tired, so that might be the reason." ;)) We conjugate the verbs in Tempus, the nouns in number and sex and the pronouns in number, sex and case. So: Infinitive form = root + e [i]å kjøre[/i] (to drive) Presence = root + er [i]Jeg kjører[/i] (I drive) Preteritum = root + te or et [i]Jeg kjørte[/i] (I drove) or [i]Jeg dyttet ham[/i] (I pushed him) Perfectum = root + t or et [i]Jeg har kjørt[/i] (I have driven) or [i]Jeg har dyttet ham[/i] (I have pushed him) There are other endings too, but these are the most used verb endings for regular verb. I don't have the facilities to do such recordings, I'm sorry. If you ask somebody at the Norwegian Embassy, though, I'm sure they'll be able to help you find books and audio tapes, making it easier. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say with the title. :) "Jeg bestemt laern Norsk" is an odd construction, but I can try a guess. If you mean "I have decided to learn Norwegian", the sentence should be "Jeg har bestemt meg for å lære norsk." (nationalities are not capitalized in Norwegian. Nor are they, oddly enough, conjugated.) I hope my ramblings have helped at all ... feel free to ask more questions. :) [/QUOTE]
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