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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quickbeam" data-source="post: 168223" data-attributes="member: 635">Prepare yourselves for a long, and comprehensive reply.MulhorandSage:The call for running Cloutier was marginal but acceptable.  While the penalty for slashing on Fischer was absurd...especially when one considers that a Canuck forward took a dive just seconds beforehand trying to get call on Chelios.  As for balancing earlier calls, I can't comment.  I only saw the third period -- my infant son was kind enough to wake me for the exciting conclusion <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> .  The Canucks certainly seem to try harder than my Wings...hopefully that trend will end this evening!Nightfall:Clarke is a prize-winning and world renowned jacka**.  I'm sorry for Flyers fans that the team has tanked in such a horrifying manner.Teflon Billy:By "crash the net" I meant going to the goal hard.  Bertuzzi, Keith Tkachuk and John LeClair (the current playoff series aside) are all excellent in this regard.  It's an element that the Wings sorely lack, and I hope they manage to address this off-season.Chelly is good at taking the body when he feels like it, but Lidstrom is less aggressive.  Don't get me wrong, Nicklas is perhaps the best all-around defenseman in the NHL, but checking is not his forte.  For all their size and strength, Krupp and Fischer are less physical than Theo freaking-Fleury, and our other blueliners are marginal at best.Playing the man may not always lead to big dollars, but it's still the best way to do your job on defense.  I want guys who won't stand around like pylons in jerseys, dammit <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> !!We agree, Yzerman is amazing.  Period end of discussion.You have a bet my friend.  I will address the Wings attempts to purchase The Cup should they lose.Thanks for the explanation on Orca Bay.  I support your vote for the lumberjack logo...that would be awesome.  There is/was an IHL or OHL team called the Cleveland Lumberjacks, and I believe their logos were/are an angry beaver and a buzzsaw blade.  Very cool stuff!Agreed again, people are jerks.  It's too bad that this answer applies in so many instances nowadays.  I'm glad that you feel the officiating hasn't been biased against Vancouver, because I think Brian Burke's dog and pony show was totally transparent and contrived.  Bad calls have gone both ways in this series, and you didn't hear Scotty Bowman crying to the media after losses in Games One and Two.  Burke's act will garner an extra call or two for the Canucks tonight, but I'm hoping our four goal first period will remove any element of suspense from the action <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> .GreyOne:1) I believe that I said Cloutier wasn't a good goalie, not that he's bad per se.  He's acceptable.  Not great, not spectacular, not bad nor crummy.  He looked terrible in Game One, and neither goalie deserved to win that contest.  Be honest with yourself, and tell me if he's better than average compared to the other starting goaltenders around the NHL.  I'm not knocking him, just saying he's nothing to write home about.  Osgood was that way in '98 and we won a Stanley Cup with him.2) Hasek flops, no argument here.  He's not the only cheap player in the league, but he's certainly high on the list.3) You shouldn't want Yzerman to get "brutalized."  Checked perhaps; played tight, sure.  But brutalized...now who's exhibiting brutal sportmanship GreyOne?4) I didn't lump any random fans together when I said the actions after the last game were classless and shameful.  I was specifically addressing the actions of those that threw debris on the ice and at the Wings' bench.  I'm sure Vancouverites in general are fine folk, but that display was embarassing.5) Chelios was the dirtiest player in the league for years, and still holds a spot in the Top Ten I'm sure.6) What do you mean the Wings aren't a team to be proud of?7) Your homerism is obvious, now how about some objectivity <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ?Agamon:Burke can now be mentioned in the same breath as P.T. Barnum for greatest showman of all time.I hope you're wrong about the holdout, but there's no question the NHL needs better revenue sharing.Lady Dragon:We do love our hockey here in Detroit don't we?  Anyone who argues about the value, talent, or historical ranking of Steve Yzerman is just silly.  He's one of the best players ever, and an even better team leader.  I feel privileged to have grown up watching him play.Welverin:Ron Francis certainly deserves more attention than he's received, but he isn't of Yzerman's caliber.  Then again, IMO, very few players ever have been <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> .Joshua Dyal:<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />  It truly does suck that Ilitch allows the Tigers to wallow amongst the refuse of MLB, while the Wings receive everything they need to be successful <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> .  Hopefully the effort will get spread around at some point in the not-too-distant future.GO WINGS!!!</blockquote>

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