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[OT] How much of history do we really know?
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<blockquote data-quote="green slime" data-source="post: 1156423" data-attributes="member: 1325"><p>Amos_Sten, what reapersaurus says is true:</p><p></p><p>Even as recent as WW2, we do not know the absolute truth in all things. "Truth" is a very subjective matter. Three people witness a car accident, they will have three different decriptions of what happened. Which one is the truth?</p><p></p><p>We can ascertain certain facts due to traces of evidence left at the scene, and fill in some of the blanks with some good guesstimation. But we will never, ever truly know the complete truth.</p><p></p><p>For instance looking at your WW2 example, we could examine why Hitler attacked at Kursk. Some would say because he felt needed a victory politically, to woo Turkey. Some would say it was for the home front. Others suggest it was megalomania. But the only people who could possibly answer this are dead, so we can only speculate. </p><p></p><p>Looking even further into the problem; Why did the allies not bomb the railways leading to the extermination camps? They were well informed and knew what was going on. We don't know why they didn't. There are all sorts of guesses as to why nothing was done.</p><p></p><p>Or even deeper still: What is the exact number of people killed in the concentration camps? It was a very large number, that we know. We also know that the Jewish World Congress has estimated that number to be approx 6 million based on censuses taken across Europe prior to the war. But these censuses cover a large span in time (the Polish census was in 1920, I believe), and guesstimates the number of births and deaths in the various affected countries up until the actual "final solution", and pays no attention to cross border migration, which was not miniscule during this particular episode in European history. If you look at surviving German documents, a still-staggering-but-much-lower number is reached, even considering that a large number of documentation was destroyed. Others have tried to estimate by other methods. The truth is: we don't know. It was a horrifically large number of people who met a truly despicable ending in the hands of a nightmare regime, and we in western europe have Uncle Sam to thank for not squirming under the heal of oppression.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="green slime, post: 1156423, member: 1325"] Amos_Sten, what reapersaurus says is true: Even as recent as WW2, we do not know the absolute truth in all things. "Truth" is a very subjective matter. Three people witness a car accident, they will have three different decriptions of what happened. Which one is the truth? We can ascertain certain facts due to traces of evidence left at the scene, and fill in some of the blanks with some good guesstimation. But we will never, ever truly know the complete truth. For instance looking at your WW2 example, we could examine why Hitler attacked at Kursk. Some would say because he felt needed a victory politically, to woo Turkey. Some would say it was for the home front. Others suggest it was megalomania. But the only people who could possibly answer this are dead, so we can only speculate. Looking even further into the problem; Why did the allies not bomb the railways leading to the extermination camps? They were well informed and knew what was going on. We don't know why they didn't. There are all sorts of guesses as to why nothing was done. Or even deeper still: What is the exact number of people killed in the concentration camps? It was a very large number, that we know. We also know that the Jewish World Congress has estimated that number to be approx 6 million based on censuses taken across Europe prior to the war. But these censuses cover a large span in time (the Polish census was in 1920, I believe), and guesstimates the number of births and deaths in the various affected countries up until the actual "final solution", and pays no attention to cross border migration, which was not miniscule during this particular episode in European history. If you look at surviving German documents, a still-staggering-but-much-lower number is reached, even considering that a large number of documentation was destroyed. Others have tried to estimate by other methods. The truth is: we don't know. It was a horrifically large number of people who met a truly despicable ending in the hands of a nightmare regime, and we in western europe have Uncle Sam to thank for not squirming under the heal of oppression. [/QUOTE]
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