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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gargoyle" data-source="post: 313804" data-attributes="member: 529">Enrious:  Couldn't agree more.  Paper engineers are worthless. I don't know how many times I've done a technical interview that went like this:Me:  "I see from your resume you've got a CCNP. How many routers would you say you have you actually configured."<Pause>Applicant: "Oh dozens...maybe hundreds."Me:  "Were those in a lab environment or in production?"Applicant:  "Well, most of them were in a class...but I did do this install for <insert some small company>"Me:  "Ok, thanks that's all I needed."I save a bunch of time by saving the technical questions for last...try to get a job with smaller IT integrators to get some experience before you go after the bigger money.Reapersaurus, I don't see how you can say that the the CCNA isn't an introductory course.  For those not familiar with it, it's actually two courses, the CCNAB 2.0 (an online course) and the ICND 2.0 (5 days instructor led).  The certification is not as good as a Network + for beginners, like I said earlier, but it is not too difficult for a computer literate high school student and will not "ruin" them in any way by ignoring the basics of networking.     <a href="http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/front.x/wwtraining/CELC/index.cgi?action=CourseDesc&COURSE_ID=1956" target="_blank">http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/front.x/wwtraining/CELC/index.cgi?action=CourseDesc&COURSE_ID=1956</a><a href="http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/front.x/wwtraining/CELC/index.cgi?action=CourseDesc&COURSE_ID=1955" target="_blank">http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/front.x/wwtraining/CELC/index.cgi?action=CourseDesc&COURSE_ID=1955</a>Now if your opinion is that they need to learn how to operate a computer first, sure I agree.  And I'll add that they should learn how to type as soon as possible.  (Dear God why isn't that a mandatory course as soon as they can reach all the keys???)   Probably I shouldn't give career advice though.  I enlisted in the Air Force for 9 years (great place to start!) then jumped into the civilian job market.  That's a bit easier than going straight from school into the job market, and sometimes I forget that.  And now that I'm making money I want to quit and run a game publishing company during a recession.  Yep, you should probably ignore everything I say. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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