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Message: <blockquote data-quote="rpgHQ" data-source="post: 1172714" data-attributes="member: 12219">I dont know if your joking or not so I will respond as if your not <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Those would be like only 1 or 2 of scores of apes and chimps that have been attempted to train sign or word recognition and I am not even sure the word recgonition would be considered proper language formation, their giving visuals of say a dog then flashed the word dog, giving the image of the color red and then flashed the word red and so on and then the word is spoken and the vidsual and word is flashed and such and then later they test them by having a screen full of words in boxes and the visual is shown or the word is spoken and they pick outthe right one and get a treat type deal. I think the most they can form sentance in that case would be like to say red boat or fat boy and the like. I think those taught sign language are able to communicate more clearly than the ones taught the word recognition stuff. None of them could be taught their "abc's" just words for items and words for emotions/feelings. In any case the 100 to 200 words was only from like what would be considered the 'genius' apes and i think 100 to 200 words would be considered a young childs word recognition ability right? something like the average 8 year old? Isnt 500 words the equivilant of someone with a basic k thru 12 education?Anyhow like i said I am not sure of the numbers, I might be misremembering them for something else. Maybe it was those numbers for the average human and the lower numbers they gave that i thought were meant for the 'dumber' apes was what the smarter ones had.But i thought it was 100 to 200 words for the smarter ones with the rest in the 25 to 50 word recognition rangeAnyhow maybe even that much scares folks when thinking how intelligent and expressive of feelings apes are and that they share more in common with us than 98% of the same genes.I wonder though in ape to ape communication how many 'words' they have? if its comparable to humans, ape langauge has sounds and vocalizations and all but its more of  posture and facial expression than how humans tend to communicate, theres subconsious(sp?) body communication between humans and some folks learn to consciously(sp? i know my spelling sucks) read body language but for apes i would think its the majority of their communication be it subconscious or not on their part. Their demeanor, expession, posture all go into their communication, and humans were at that level of communication at one time too even if we wernt as hairy as apes at the time.I  wonder why all the tests and experiments you see and read about are always with chimps and gorillas when it comes to language and learning, arent orangatungs genetically/evolutionary closer to humans than the other two apes? Smarter too from what I read, yet you never see any studies in language ability/learning on them.Anyhow I care more about my grandkids being able to interface with a megacomputer in their pocket with nothing more than their brainwaves than I do about a monkey who left to themselves in a cage with folks staring at them all day will end up doing the same thing they always do, throw poop at people, just with a robot arm controlled by their thought instead, hell you stick a person in a cage with people gawking and teasing them all day and they would do the same thing, frustration is frustration, be you ape or man, and we're nothing but fancy smart hairless apes anyhow.</blockquote>

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