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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kenjib" data-source="post: 859138" data-attributes="member: 530">Well said Wil.  Thanks for clarifying and apologies if my tone was less than polite.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />For the record, I think that the Green Revolution was a marvelous and just-in-the-nick-of-time thing.  I was just supporting the environmentalists who point out the issues that need to be addressed so that we see them before they cause many deaths.  Human progress is fine, but you need to see the problems in order to do the work.Furthermore, the problems caused by the overconsumption necessary for the industrialized lifestyle that is the supposed cure for overpopulation are also clearly not sustainable on a global scale at this time.  These problem may be mostly solved through technology in time for the changes, but then again it may not.  To simply move forward without taking proper precautions based on the assumption that technology will be there quick enough to prevent disaster is demonstrably an error in today's age where the results of such assumptions in the past are clear and numerous.Overpopulation would be mostly countered through industrialization, but for this to be practical the very nature of industrialization needs to change -- and very soon.</blockquote>