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<blockquote data-quote="Vocenoctum" data-source="post: 2115403" data-attributes="member: 2477"><p>Then why is my opinion silly?</p><p> I may have painted with too broad a brush, but did not mean a universal truth that all the writers are identical. At the same time though, you seem to regard my opinions as unfounded and not based on experience. I have been involved in the SR community for years, and have seen the game styles of some of the freelancers. As well, it's come up before in other places and times. Most of them never played "normal" SR, and now SR is becoming more like that they played. So, what I know of their SR play style is what they've said, and now what the books contain.</p><p></p><p>It's like when folks tell you to critique a novel without critiqueing the writer. The toy are tied, and there's no way to seperate the person from the material. I'm not calling them bad people, or saying they rape goats in their spare times, I'm directly addressing the Shadowrun game and the way they have presented their opinion of it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That has always been a cop out. "Sure we are totally altering the game, but you still have your old stuff, we're not kicking in your door." I enjoy new products for my established games. Sure I could just download the SRD and make everything myself, but the game is more than that. Every time a new edition abandon's older players, it splits the player base into different groups.</p><p>Everything that happens to Shadowrun does affect me, if it's a game I play. Even if the effect is simply no new material for me.</p><p></p><p>But, as I said, if this new path for Shadowrun is the more profitable, then by all means the company should head that way, but be honest about it. Don't quip about Game Edition Ninja's, or (not you, but others) tell me the game hasn't changed. ("It's evolved" "isn't that change?" "no, it's the same game, just different.")</p><p></p><p>I don't consider the new FanPro folks evil, I just think they've altered Shadowrun into a game that is not what it was. I think you're trying to make the best game you can, it's just not Shadowrun anymore.</p><p></p><p>For the record, right now I'm in way too much D20 stuff. D&D, SW, and a neat near future psychic game. The SR game ended a couple months ago, due to the GM's style and the lack of inspiration new material was giving me. We've been looking for new systems to try, but Fireborn's dice were too odd, and Unknown Armies is mostly dead too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vocenoctum, post: 2115403, member: 2477"] Then why is my opinion silly? I may have painted with too broad a brush, but did not mean a universal truth that all the writers are identical. At the same time though, you seem to regard my opinions as unfounded and not based on experience. I have been involved in the SR community for years, and have seen the game styles of some of the freelancers. As well, it's come up before in other places and times. Most of them never played "normal" SR, and now SR is becoming more like that they played. So, what I know of their SR play style is what they've said, and now what the books contain. It's like when folks tell you to critique a novel without critiqueing the writer. The toy are tied, and there's no way to seperate the person from the material. I'm not calling them bad people, or saying they rape goats in their spare times, I'm directly addressing the Shadowrun game and the way they have presented their opinion of it. That has always been a cop out. "Sure we are totally altering the game, but you still have your old stuff, we're not kicking in your door." I enjoy new products for my established games. Sure I could just download the SRD and make everything myself, but the game is more than that. Every time a new edition abandon's older players, it splits the player base into different groups. Everything that happens to Shadowrun does affect me, if it's a game I play. Even if the effect is simply no new material for me. But, as I said, if this new path for Shadowrun is the more profitable, then by all means the company should head that way, but be honest about it. Don't quip about Game Edition Ninja's, or (not you, but others) tell me the game hasn't changed. ("It's evolved" "isn't that change?" "no, it's the same game, just different.") I don't consider the new FanPro folks evil, I just think they've altered Shadowrun into a game that is not what it was. I think you're trying to make the best game you can, it's just not Shadowrun anymore. For the record, right now I'm in way too much D20 stuff. D&D, SW, and a neat near future psychic game. The SR game ended a couple months ago, due to the GM's style and the lack of inspiration new material was giving me. We've been looking for new systems to try, but Fireborn's dice were too odd, and Unknown Armies is mostly dead too. [/QUOTE]
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