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<blockquote data-quote="Michelle Lyons" data-source="post: 2129072" data-attributes="member: 5217"><p>Well, you have to admit that the line "Now they're coming after your games too" was a bit melodramatic, and firmly worthy of a reference to Game Ninjas. I never once said that your complaints were unfounded or somehow unworthy of being heard. It was the histrionics I objected to, along with the blanket statement that the rules all freelancers played were somehow not the actual game but some face of Shadowrun that we were bound and determined to nefariously inflict upon the population at large. You state that you've seen what some freelancers play, and I can't refute that since I don't know you (and you don't state who among the freelancers you've observed or read game accounts from). I still hold, however, that blanket statements are bad and that, as a sometime FanPro freelancer and FASA employee, they were erroneous at least as applies to me. </p><p></p><p>Those issues, though, are separate from your feelings and concerns about the game. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>On the contrary. I listen with great interest to dissenting opinion, so long as it isn't couched in such strong emotion that the content is wholly masked. It's quite possible I might be convinced of something. As for trying to convince you... well, I find it is far more effective to simply complete the material to the best I can and let you look at the end result, assuming you are not so entirely set against it as to have the mere existence of the book be a moral affront to you. If you give it a chance and come to like the material, then wonderful. If you end up not liking it, then... well, I'm sorry it turned out that way. Our goal is to make as many current players happy as we can while opening up the game to a new audience and trying to bring it more into step with current game design and technology. We know not everyone will want this. Sometimes you have to take a risk, though, to grow and improve. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nope. Had I anything of the sort to complain about here, I would most certainly have done so already, naming names where appropriate. For that matter, I think Henry might have beaten me to it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> So long as the general threats are more venting than personal, they don't bother me, and so far I've not had the latter. It can be a bit disconcerting, though, to be the end target of that sort of hostility on a larger scale, even just online. </p><p></p><p>I don't post here as a FanPro representative. Really, I think only Adam and Rob and possibly Brian have that sort of weight to their words. I'm a somewhat interested party, but that's the extent of it. Make of that what you will.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Michelle Lyons, post: 2129072, member: 5217"] Well, you have to admit that the line "Now they're coming after your games too" was a bit melodramatic, and firmly worthy of a reference to Game Ninjas. I never once said that your complaints were unfounded or somehow unworthy of being heard. It was the histrionics I objected to, along with the blanket statement that the rules all freelancers played were somehow not the actual game but some face of Shadowrun that we were bound and determined to nefariously inflict upon the population at large. You state that you've seen what some freelancers play, and I can't refute that since I don't know you (and you don't state who among the freelancers you've observed or read game accounts from). I still hold, however, that blanket statements are bad and that, as a sometime FanPro freelancer and FASA employee, they were erroneous at least as applies to me. Those issues, though, are separate from your feelings and concerns about the game. On the contrary. I listen with great interest to dissenting opinion, so long as it isn't couched in such strong emotion that the content is wholly masked. It's quite possible I might be convinced of something. As for trying to convince you... well, I find it is far more effective to simply complete the material to the best I can and let you look at the end result, assuming you are not so entirely set against it as to have the mere existence of the book be a moral affront to you. If you give it a chance and come to like the material, then wonderful. If you end up not liking it, then... well, I'm sorry it turned out that way. Our goal is to make as many current players happy as we can while opening up the game to a new audience and trying to bring it more into step with current game design and technology. We know not everyone will want this. Sometimes you have to take a risk, though, to grow and improve. Nope. Had I anything of the sort to complain about here, I would most certainly have done so already, naming names where appropriate. For that matter, I think Henry might have beaten me to it. :) So long as the general threats are more venting than personal, they don't bother me, and so far I've not had the latter. It can be a bit disconcerting, though, to be the end target of that sort of hostility on a larger scale, even just online. I don't post here as a FanPro representative. Really, I think only Adam and Rob and possibly Brian have that sort of weight to their words. I'm a somewhat interested party, but that's the extent of it. Make of that what you will. [/QUOTE]
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