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<blockquote data-quote="Vocenoctum" data-source="post: 2129940" data-attributes="member: 2477"><p>Blanket statements are mandatory here on ENWorld, it is assumed that the people that don't fit the blanket statement will know they don't and not mind. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> (j/k)</p><p></p><p>I don't generally specifically direct comments at named folks, because it serves no purpose other than insulting.. I generally don't directly attack a person, merely comment on the work they put forth and direct influences there. </p><p></p><p>I do think the comment was accurate though. Not in the sense that Game Ninja's will ruin an individuals game, but because the elements that given folks buy the game for will be changed.There is no Nefarious schem, but I do think it's a matter of not seeing what folks bought Shadowrun for. Perhaps Boyle could post a list of what the basic elements of SR that define it for the team working on it, the Sacred Cows as it were, to the website. The current FAQ reads more like a forum posting than actual info about the game.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As I mentioned, based on the past products FanPro has produced for Shadowrun, I will not be buying it. I generally order online, via Stiggybaby's, and can't look at a book before buying it. There are a couple other folks that will be looking it over, and if the reviews from them are excellent, than maybe I will buy it in the future. So, simply completing the material ISN'T enough, because to read that material, I would need to buy the book, understand? Convinced needs to be done by posts refuting bad parts and talking about why this edition is better, but more directly, the website stuff has to be more explanatory. There's still months to go though, but really if there's any chance of a GenCon release, this material should already be pretty well formed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think the missing element there is older player that were lost by FanPro. Regaining players by looking back over what changes have been made in SR3 (including before FanPro took over) and where the players were lost would be a good start.</p><p>A general point though: FanPro has continued FASA's "blind dart throwing" approach to release scheduling. Releases are erratic and that hurts any game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>you may not be a "company representative", but if you're correcting folks on the game or writers, you are representing them. You should be either more involved or resistant to baiting, but I think more involved makes more sense. The Dumpshock crew really ends up being self-indulgent in these matters, and not really very effective outside their home.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vocenoctum, post: 2129940, member: 2477"] Blanket statements are mandatory here on ENWorld, it is assumed that the people that don't fit the blanket statement will know they don't and not mind. :) (j/k) I don't generally specifically direct comments at named folks, because it serves no purpose other than insulting.. I generally don't directly attack a person, merely comment on the work they put forth and direct influences there. I do think the comment was accurate though. Not in the sense that Game Ninja's will ruin an individuals game, but because the elements that given folks buy the game for will be changed.There is no Nefarious schem, but I do think it's a matter of not seeing what folks bought Shadowrun for. Perhaps Boyle could post a list of what the basic elements of SR that define it for the team working on it, the Sacred Cows as it were, to the website. The current FAQ reads more like a forum posting than actual info about the game. As I mentioned, based on the past products FanPro has produced for Shadowrun, I will not be buying it. I generally order online, via Stiggybaby's, and can't look at a book before buying it. There are a couple other folks that will be looking it over, and if the reviews from them are excellent, than maybe I will buy it in the future. So, simply completing the material ISN'T enough, because to read that material, I would need to buy the book, understand? Convinced needs to be done by posts refuting bad parts and talking about why this edition is better, but more directly, the website stuff has to be more explanatory. There's still months to go though, but really if there's any chance of a GenCon release, this material should already be pretty well formed. I think the missing element there is older player that were lost by FanPro. Regaining players by looking back over what changes have been made in SR3 (including before FanPro took over) and where the players were lost would be a good start. A general point though: FanPro has continued FASA's "blind dart throwing" approach to release scheduling. Releases are erratic and that hurts any game. you may not be a "company representative", but if you're correcting folks on the game or writers, you are representing them. You should be either more involved or resistant to baiting, but I think more involved makes more sense. The Dumpshock crew really ends up being self-indulgent in these matters, and not really very effective outside their home. [/QUOTE]
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