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<blockquote data-quote="ColonelHardisson" data-source="post: 187508" data-attributes="member: 363">That's absolutely the first time I've heard such a thing. In my experience, Empire has always been generally acknowledged as the best of the films. That stretches back to when I saw it in 1980 to today, and is based on actually talking to people about it. Jedi was always acknowledged as worst by everyone I've ever spoken with. Empire's lack of closure was a minor annoyance to some; but everyone always agreed that it was a necessary evil, to set up Jedi. The final shot, of the Rebel fleet pulling away and then cutting right to the credits before they get very far is one of my favorite moments in the entire Star Wars saga. Before Jedi came out, that ending left me - and others I knew - hungry for the next one. It left us unsettled, but we liked it. It was scary.Sorry to be so blunt (really) - but that's just nonsense. Simply invalidating someone's opinion like that is as bad as what you cite as the reason people like Empire. It's like saying: &quot;They're only saying that cuz they think they're cool; but really I'm cooler cuz I disagree.&quot; It's just a pissing match. Maybe it's true for some, but there are plenty of thoughtful people I've talked to who thought Empire was the best of the original three. Being the best doesn't make it my favorite, though. My favorite was the first. I never call it &quot;A New Hope&quot; except when I have to make clear what I'm talking about. It's fun, exciting, and very loose and almost ragged-feeling. It moves so fast that what flaws there are zip by. I know it's an obscure thing to like, but Star Wars has my favorite musical cue - the part where we first see Luke, and Aunt Beru calls to him. We go from the Jawa music to Luke's theme, with strings welling up on the soundtrack...just a great way to musically introduce a character. That piece of music seems to foreshadow almost everything that would come later. I know, it's geeky. I can't help it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ColonelHardisson, post: 187508, member: 363"] That's absolutely the first time I've heard such a thing. In my experience, Empire has always been generally acknowledged as the [i]best[/i] of the films. That stretches back to when I saw it in 1980 to today, and is based on actually talking to people about it. Jedi was always acknowledged as worst by everyone I've ever spoken with. Empire's lack of closure was a minor annoyance to some; but everyone always agreed that it was a necessary evil, to set up Jedi. The final shot, of the Rebel fleet pulling away and then cutting right to the credits before they get very far is one of my favorite moments in the entire Star Wars saga. Before Jedi came out, that ending left me - and others I knew - hungry for the next one. It left us unsettled, but we liked it. It was scary. Sorry to be so blunt (really) - but that's just nonsense. Simply invalidating someone's opinion like that is as bad as what you cite as the reason people like Empire. It's like saying: "They're only saying that cuz they think they're cool; but really I'm cooler cuz I disagree." It's just a pissing match. Maybe it's true for some, but there are plenty of thoughtful people I've talked to who thought Empire was the best of the original three. Being the best doesn't make it my favorite, though. My favorite was the first. I never call it "A New Hope" except when I have to make clear what I'm talking about. It's fun, exciting, and very loose and almost ragged-feeling. It moves so fast that what flaws there are zip by. I know it's an obscure thing to like, but Star Wars has my favorite musical cue - the part where we first see Luke, and Aunt Beru calls to him. We go from the Jawa music to Luke's theme, with strings welling up on the soundtrack...just a great way to musically introduce a character. That piece of music seems to foreshadow almost everything that would come later. I know, it's geeky. I can't help it. [/QUOTE]

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