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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 538578" data-attributes="member: 4937">WizardDru: If you liked the film, fine.  What I find particularly annoying is complaining about a film and people like you trotting out tired old anti-purist arguements without understanding a bit of what I'm saying.   For instance:"Complaining that Entdraught was missing or that the Entmoot should take three days or even that Treebeard's character is portrayed as much more relunctant and less wise than in the books are not problems with the film..."And how does this have to do with anything I said?  Why make a straw man out of my complaints by comparing me to a bunch of purist nit pickers that don't understand how to tell a story?  Did I make any complaints like that?  No, quite the contrary, I said, PJ actually put too much of this purist nit picky stuff in the movie just to be able to say he did so - and it hurt his movie.If I was a nit picker, I might complain about the design of the black gate, but no that was fine.  Not the book, but accomplishes the same purpose of being 'impressive'.   I'm not complaining about changes wholesale and without thought.  In fact, my favorite part of FotR was the first 15 minutes or so when PJ/Boyens actually showed some decent ability at rewriting, addition, and arrangement when establishing Frodo/Bilbo/Gandalf as characters.  That wasn't 'from the book word for word', but it certainly was in the spirit of the book.I don't claim to have 'made' my arguement.  I DO claim that the sort of things I have brought up as being really weak are the sort of things that alot of people agree as being really weak, even if I haven't bothered to fully justify my appraisal of these things as weak.  When people trot out the 'Tolkien Purist' argument, that I'm misjudging the movie based on its treatment of the material, I tend to feel that I'm dealing with a 'Movie Purist' who is afraid to critically judge that popcorn epic he just watched.  "Oh, the movie was great, I wouldn't change a thing!  It was perfect!  It was the best movie I ever saw!"Please.  It started out as 'not Tolkein but at least the very best D&D movie ever made', but before the end of the movie PJ had completely lost his way in the story.   Only his good use of fantasy action and borrowed Tolkien grandeur was really keeping people in the story.  Judged on its own merits, this wasn't even the movie that Gladiator or Braveheart was.I'm not necessarily the one here with a misplaced attachment to a peice of artistic material.  If you think it was so well written, trot out some examples of PJ's well written original lines.   If you think it was so good, you defend the work - and try to avoid doing it with 'well it seemed to be well received' because so was the Dumb and Dumberer treaser.kengar: Please, don't get me started on PJ's treatment of the healing scene, and Aragorn & Co. whooping @$$ with his bare hands to protect Gandalf from attack JUST after Gandalf efffectively demonstrated that even Aragorn couldn't lay a sword on him.</blockquote>

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