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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Olorin" data-source="post: 538777" data-attributes="member: 940">I agree with Celebrim that many of the changes/additions were poor. I enjoyed the movie overall but I just can't fathom why the writers and director though some of these things were a good idea.Faramir is the chief one. His character was done a huge disservice by forcing him to admit the ring is bad by external forces (the Ringwraith and Sam's speech), rather than by his own wisdom. It shows him to be just another weak man like his brother, rather than the wiser and nobler of the two. The addition of the Osgiliath scenes didn't even work well... Faramir only seems to react to outside circumstances, rather than making the right decisons on his own. And his tone and expression when telling his men to take Frodo and Sam to his father "bearing a great gift" made me feel like the Ring had its hooks into him already, after a much shorter time than it took Boromir to be corrupted.The Aragorn "is he dead?" interlude following the warg battle (which I quite liked) served no purpose that I could tell and took away screen time from other things. If they really wanted to slow the movie down at that point, finish the battle and then cut away to Merry and Pippin talking with Treebeard, staying at his home, drinking the Entdraught. The focus on the Aragorn/Arwen romance was too much in this film, one scene would have been sufficient rather than the 3 flashbacks we got.I have no problem with adding new scenes to the movies as long as they serve the overall story and stay faithful to the spirit of the books. The changes in Fellowship did quite well in this respect I thought. For TTT, I feel like the director/writers didn't try hard enough to make the existing material work on the screen.The Theoden exorcism scene I had no problem with, as it simply exaggerated the cause of his decline, making it an overt effort from Saruman rather than just the poison tongue of Grima. Different means, same effect. That was a good example of adapting something from the books in a way that worked better on film while maintaining the spirit of the book.But the changes to Faramir, the Aragorn interludes, also the presentation of Elrond as a man-hating elf (the impression I got from his scenes with Arwen and the messages from Galadriel) were not done well in my opinion.And why did Haldir give greetings from Elrond?? He is a Galadrim and it was clearly Galadriel's doing that elves were sent to help the Rohirrim at all. That just seems like a continuity gaffe.I still enjoyed the movie overall but felt that Celebrim had some valid concerns with they way some of the changes were done.Just my two cents.</blockquote>

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