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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 539132" data-attributes="member: 151"><p></p><p></p><p>One 'D' is fine, thanks. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't label you as such, at least not intentionally. My point was, and is, that you most of your complaints are disagreements with Jackson's vision of the plot, characters and story. You give few examples of his failure to produce a good movie, and mostly only examples of anger at his choices. There's nothing wrong with that, but it appears that you are equating his choices for adaption (good and bad) with his skill as a filmmaker, which are not the same thing. Especially given the overwhelmingly positive critical response the film is getting.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Speaking of straw men...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Actually, as I stated above, I think there are legitimate claims to be made about mistakes within the film. However, you haven't really discussed those. The overuse of some techniques would be a legitimate criticism. Disliking Jackson's changes is a valid viewpoint, but has little to do with the movie's relative qualities to a non-fan.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, rottentomatoes notwithstanding, I think these might not be the best choices for comparison, given that they both take extreme liberties with the historical record and are no less unfaithful to their sources than TTT is. Which may have been your point, in that you felt they were better films, regardless. I tend to think they were as good as TTT....at the quality level in which all three operate, I find it hard to differentiate.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, it's not my place to 'defend the work', as it's not mine. The work can defend itself, and judging by the critical response, already has. Obviously you're more than a little angry about Jackson's choices. I don't think it's a productive use of either of our times to debate about attitudes that aren't likely to change. I certainly don't want to contribute to your ire. I enjoyed the film, and you felt it was a betrayl of Tolkien's vision. I appreciate your viewpoint, and feel sorry you didn't, but there we are.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 539132, member: 151"] [B][/b] One 'D' is fine, thanks. :) [b][/b] I didn't label you as such, at least not intentionally. My point was, and is, that you most of your complaints are disagreements with Jackson's vision of the plot, characters and story. You give few examples of his failure to produce a good movie, and mostly only examples of anger at his choices. There's nothing wrong with that, but it appears that you are equating his choices for adaption (good and bad) with his skill as a filmmaker, which are not the same thing. Especially given the overwhelmingly positive critical response the film is getting. [b][/b] Speaking of straw men...:) Actually, as I stated above, I think there are legitimate claims to be made about mistakes within the film. However, you haven't really discussed those. The overuse of some techniques would be a legitimate criticism. Disliking Jackson's changes is a valid viewpoint, but has little to do with the movie's relative qualities to a non-fan. [b][/b] Well, rottentomatoes notwithstanding, I think these might not be the best choices for comparison, given that they both take extreme liberties with the historical record and are no less unfaithful to their sources than TTT is. Which may have been your point, in that you felt they were better films, regardless. I tend to think they were as good as TTT....at the quality level in which all three operate, I find it hard to differentiate. Well, it's not my place to 'defend the work', as it's not mine. The work can defend itself, and judging by the critical response, already has. Obviously you're more than a little angry about Jackson's choices. I don't think it's a productive use of either of our times to debate about attitudes that aren't likely to change. I certainly don't want to contribute to your ire. I enjoyed the film, and you felt it was a betrayl of Tolkien's vision. I appreciate your viewpoint, and feel sorry you didn't, but there we are. [/QUOTE]
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