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<blockquote data-quote="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost" data-source="post: 264239" data-attributes="member: 4720">It was a quick, off-the-top-of-the-head list, and certainly not a comprehensive one.&nbsp; There were LOTS of omissions, Pert among them.&nbsp; Though, technical proficiency is not really what the list was about.&nbsp; In the years before Cream, Ginger Baker was considered wild and unskilled by some people because of the styles he was experimenting with.&nbsp; But he's now considered one of the greatest drummers ever to hit rock and roll.&nbsp; Perceptions of this kind of thing are pretty fluid, as many here have pointed out.Herald: I'm with you on The Band.&nbsp; Any Traffic fans lurking about?&nbsp; Also, I only know of Steve Gadd from his work with a couple of other artists (i.e. Clapton and Paul Simon).&nbsp; What else has he done?Two things to add to the discussion: 1) Skilled people can put out crap.&nbsp; 2) The definition of musical crap is (as has been pointed out many times already) subjective.The Monkees were actually really good musicians, and a couple of them were really good songwriters, but the record company was in the drivers seat and was forcing them to record crap written by a panel of hacks.&nbsp; It's not until towards the end of their career, when no one was paying attention that they started to put out really interesting stuff.&nbsp; Of course, I also know a number of people who loved the bumblegum they put out early on and hate the later stuff.&nbsp; Then there's the Beatles.&nbsp; I think their really early stuff was mostly vanilla rock and consider the later work genius.&nbsp; But I know people who only listen to the early part of their career when they were doing a Chuck Berry impersonation and think that The White Album, Sgt. Peppers, et al were terrible.There's also the Bob Dylan issue.&nbsp; Dylan is among the greatest song writers ever.&nbsp; Incredible.&nbsp; But I like it a LOT better when other people sing his songs.&nbsp; In fact, I HATE his voice.&nbsp; Makes it hard to appreciate his songwriting.&nbsp; I'm always happy when people cover him, because it means I'll enjoy it more.&nbsp; On the opposite end of the spectrum in Brittney Spears.&nbsp; Worst music EVER.&nbsp; But when she shuts off the tech crap, she has an amazing sounding, breathy voice.&nbsp; If you put her in front of real instruments and a good songwriter, she'd be incredible.&nbsp; Instead, she's wasting an amazing voice on an endless stream of crap.&nbsp; Technically, she's a MUCH better singer than, for example, Janis Joplin was, but I'll listen to Janis until the end of time and Brittney makes me change the channel.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost, post: 264239, member: 4720"] It was a quick, off-the-top-of-the-head list, and certainly not a comprehensive one. There were LOTS of omissions, Pert among them. Though, technical proficiency is not really what the list was about. In the years before Cream, Ginger Baker was considered wild and unskilled by some people because of the styles he was experimenting with. But he's now considered one of the greatest drummers ever to hit rock and roll. Perceptions of this kind of thing are pretty fluid, as many here have pointed out. Herald: I'm with you on The Band. Any Traffic fans lurking about? Also, I only know of Steve Gadd from his work with a couple of other artists (i.e. Clapton and Paul Simon). What else has he done? Two things to add to the discussion: 1) Skilled people can put out crap. 2) The definition of musical crap is (as has been pointed out many times already) [B][i]subjective[/i][/B]. The Monkees were actually really good musicians, and a couple of them were really good songwriters, but the record company was in the drivers seat and was forcing them to record crap written by a panel of hacks. It's not until towards the end of their career, when no one was paying attention that they started to put out really interesting stuff. Of course, I also know a number of people who loved the bumblegum they put out early on and hate the later stuff. Then there's the Beatles. I think their really early stuff was mostly vanilla rock and consider the later work genius. But I know people who only listen to the early part of their career when they were doing a Chuck Berry impersonation and think that The White Album, Sgt. Peppers, et al were terrible. There's also the Bob Dylan issue. Dylan is among the greatest song writers ever. Incredible. But I like it a LOT better when other people sing his songs. In fact, I HATE his voice. Makes it hard to appreciate his songwriting. I'm always happy when people cover him, because it means I'll enjoy it more. On the opposite end of the spectrum in Brittney Spears. Worst music EVER. But when she shuts off the tech crap, she has an amazing sounding, breathy voice. If you put her in front of real instruments and a good songwriter, she'd be incredible. Instead, she's wasting an amazing voice on an endless stream of crap. Technically, she's a MUCH better singer than, for example, Janis Joplin was, but I'll listen to Janis until the end of time and Brittney makes me change the channel. [/QUOTE]

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