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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kail" data-source="post: 666815" data-attributes="member: 8851">Back again!  You would think buying a washer and dryer and hauling them back home would take less time.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />      Onto more martial maddness.  Krav Maga, you get the basics from the site, and Black Belt magizine did two articals on it recently, I can get the issue numbers for those interested, heck for shipping costs I'd mail you the issues.  Anyway, back to what KM is from what little I know.  Stylistically its both compact and diverse.  It atempts to cover all ranges of combat and weapon defense/disarms, including against firearms, into an effecient format that uses gross motor reactions at the basic levels.  Starting out it will resemble kickboxing at a basic level, though I very much doubt the tools/weapons will be as highly developed as kickboxers would have them be, later it progresses into takedowns, and grappling with an ephasis on quickly disabling attackers.  Its ment to be nasty and effective to the core.  Draw backs, and this is theory gathered from what the system entails, would be a difficulty in practicing without at least one partner, difficulty in finding solid training {Some unscrupulous people take a seminar in a style and then hang their shingle advertising that they teach the style}.  Because of the violent premis of the style, and the implied high level physical threat it is responding to, you will suffer some of the same draw backs of other traditional, and "combat oriented" systems, you can't really do what they are teaching you.  That is to say that you can't apply the techniques full force and carry through with the full motion without seriously injuring a training partner.  This is a critism leveled at many traditional martial arts, but it is equally true of those espousing "true self-defense".  You can't really do the knee colapsing, eye-gouging movements safely in either format, no matter how real you try to make the training, your still faking it and pulling punches.    zdanboy, if your interested in the karate form, I could post a few things to look for and expect out of a good traditional school.  Don't be totally sold on the "traditional karate/kung fu doesn't work" lines.  They tend to fall into a few broad catigories, and I don't mean to offend: Embittered, they didn't get wha they expected or when they expect it from the art.  It wasn't a quick fix.  Short Changed, they didn't really get a good school, and after the bad expierence moved on without searching out better quality instruction, or even realizing until much later that they were shafted.  Selling Something, this one is trying to peddle off another system of some sort, or a personal fighting philosophy, that they claim to be the ultimate for one reason or another.  Many traditional styles have stood the test of time and challenge.   Needless to say, I've had very good experiences out of a traditional style of karate that has stood up when squared against other forms and fighters, running oposite of what folks like Fourecks experienced.  For those folks, I am sorry things didn't work out for you with traditional training, I really wish they had.  However, it takes all kinds of styles and people to make the world go round and no style is perfect, execpt for our own favorites.     That's it for the night.  Hopefully I can find the sites I need for a thread soon and I'll have something role playing related to add to the boards.{edited for spelling/typos and clairity, which I still may not have achieved}   Kail</blockquote>

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