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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kail" data-source="post: 666879" data-attributes="member: 8851">Actually your not going to get full contact out of the "redman" suits used in most of those sorts of defense classes.  Your still not able to get full follow through on a joint manipulation/breaks and you will get a very unrealistic body responce from a strike.  If your that padded up and I strike, full force mind you, to the stomach, you may stagger under the force of the blow, but your body won't cant/reflexively come forward the way it would from an unarmored target.  That sort of armor, and newer, more stream-line versions can help, but they are generally prohibitively expensive for individuals, and most schools, to buy and have some of the same draw backs as the older "redman".  Still can't go full out against an elbow/knee/wrist joint, can't crank the neck all the way, gouge the eyes or eye rank to move the head and they still stiffle the reaction of the body to blows.  Aside from that, working in them can provide a very false sense of security.  If a full on shot doesn't hurt in the armor, or hurts very little, it won't overly concern you in a real situation.  That lack of concern will get you hit hard without proper respect for how your body will react.  In some ways its worse than non-contact sparring, you don't respect the power of a hit nearly as much as you should because you haven't really experienced.Better, maybe, but definately not a cure for the trouble.  Until we get fully functional VR or disposable, afordable combat training androids, there is no really good answer.Kail</blockquote>

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