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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bjorn2bwild" data-source="post: 4096750" data-attributes="member: 61215">We know "some" of the effects of being prone, and possibly all of the effects of being prone.  Yes. standing from prone costs a move action and does draw opportunity attacks.  Yes you can crawl while prone at half movement as a move action.  Crawling is essentially moving in difficult terrain, so you cannot shift while prone.  As such, yes, if you leave a threatened area while prone, you will draw an opportunity attack.I treated this as no, she was not automatically standing.  Tide of Iron is *not* a bull rush.  It's similar, but it's not the same thing and does not follow, well, any of the rules for bull rushing.  Keep in mind that Tide of Iron does not state that the fighter shifts into the square that her target was previously occupying, but rather states that the fighter "can" shift into that square.Again, Tide of Iron does not follow the rules for bull rushing.  In the case of this combat, once the attack had successfully landed and the target had been pushed back from its original square, the fighter would not be able to shift into the target's square because you cannot shift in difficult terrain (which essentially is what crawling while prone is).I do see what you're getting at, but I think it's a fundamental difference in how we are interpreting Tide of Iron.  You seem to be of the opinion that the fighter must move forward as part of the power.  I am of the opinion that the fighter does not have to move forward as part of the power.And while I hope that there are no inconsistencies or loopholes, we all know that's wishful thinking.  No new rules system is bulletproof.It's interesting that you mention cleave, as its 4E version caused much more consternation among the group last night than the thought of using powers while prone.  The fact that the attack did automatic damage to a second target was the source of the problem.  I'm still mulling over what to do about that, or even if it's a big problem.  Most people last night thought there should be, at the very least, some sort of attack roll involved.  Maybe with bonuses or something.</blockquote>

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