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<blockquote data-quote="Gus L" data-source="post: 9443317" data-attributes="member: 7045072"><p>No shade to cast on this system, and the design looks excellent - but I reamin baffled by designers choice to make ever more B/X/AD&D/OD&D clones. I honestly can't think of a reason why one wouldn't look to this for OSR style play ... but I can't really think of why one WOULD look to it either. At least not as system, which isn't to say it's bad, just that in 2024 what is the use of another medieval fantasy system using the OD&D/B/X/AD&D chassis in 2024? </p><p></p><p>There are just so so many.</p><p></p><p>With Outcast Silver Raiders I salute the authors for including a setting book and hopefully they will keep offering a variety of adventures. To me is the only real point of interest, and it's a big one, if the setting and adventures are themselves good. Still I struggle to see how players and referee guides that tell us "It's old D&D with about 10 changes" (more or less) are especially compelling these days. It seems to me that as a designer one could take all that space and instead write a setting with a few bolt on rules. Use the excess pages for more setting and more adventures. </p><p></p><p>Example: say the backstory generating Travelleresque character death in generation system. This doesn't need to be in its own game I don't think. Simply a section about how the world is so harsh and backgrounds are useful for play and - then introduce the rule for playing with one's favorite B/Xalike? </p><p></p><p>Is it a marketing thing? An effort to create a sort of walled garden for "Silver Raiders" content? Seeing this stuff over the past several years reminds me of how the community spirit that existed in the OSR when I was part of it seems harder to find - people don't make things for other creators to play so much anymore, and instead a lot of energy seems to go into recreating ones own version of B/X to sell. </p><p>Anyway that's just my cranky thoughts - congrats to the authors on getting this work through the process of publication and making it look so good.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gus L, post: 9443317, member: 7045072"] No shade to cast on this system, and the design looks excellent - but I reamin baffled by designers choice to make ever more B/X/AD&D/OD&D clones. I honestly can't think of a reason why one wouldn't look to this for OSR style play ... but I can't really think of why one WOULD look to it either. At least not as system, which isn't to say it's bad, just that in 2024 what is the use of another medieval fantasy system using the OD&D/B/X/AD&D chassis in 2024? There are just so so many. With Outcast Silver Raiders I salute the authors for including a setting book and hopefully they will keep offering a variety of adventures. To me is the only real point of interest, and it's a big one, if the setting and adventures are themselves good. Still I struggle to see how players and referee guides that tell us "It's old D&D with about 10 changes" (more or less) are especially compelling these days. It seems to me that as a designer one could take all that space and instead write a setting with a few bolt on rules. Use the excess pages for more setting and more adventures. Example: say the backstory generating Travelleresque character death in generation system. This doesn't need to be in its own game I don't think. Simply a section about how the world is so harsh and backgrounds are useful for play and - then introduce the rule for playing with one's favorite B/Xalike? Is it a marketing thing? An effort to create a sort of walled garden for "Silver Raiders" content? Seeing this stuff over the past several years reminds me of how the community spirit that existed in the OSR when I was part of it seems harder to find - people don't make things for other creators to play so much anymore, and instead a lot of energy seems to go into recreating ones own version of B/X to sell. Anyway that's just my cranky thoughts - congrats to the authors on getting this work through the process of publication and making it look so good. [/QUOTE]
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