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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nazhkandrias" data-source="post: 3414533" data-attributes="member: 50521">Thanks for your honesty; it's a VERY rough draft, I understand that.I can understand your concern about the mental bonus and the lack of balance when it comes to Cha vs. Dex. I thought the same thing, actually. I can't really add in another penalty to the Darkchosen, such as -2 to Cha, which would end up underpowering them a bit, since their stats would come out well below those of an elf. However, I have considered giving them +2 to Int instead. That would balance them pretty fairly, I think. They would still excel at rogues (the only commonly used PH class that really fits a saboteur or infiltrator), but they would be balanced with the Darkchosen. Come to think of it, I like the class options being in opposition to each other. Lightchosen would be good Paladins or Sorcerers, and Darkchosen would be good Rogues or Wizards. Pretty much a polar opposite, wouldn't you say?As for the mental bonuses, it always bothered me that none of the PH races really had a mental bonus - it kind of bummed me out when playing a wizard or similar class. Sure, high Dex or Con on a spellcaster is cool, but I'd rather have Int or Cha. It hasn't really been done too often, but hey, why not add in a little change?I never understood why a mental bonus was considered such "taboo" for those loyal to the core races - it certainly isn't as all-around useful as a bonus to Con, a fairly common trait. Someone with a bonus to a physical trait is good for almost any class, especially combat-oriented ones. Something with a bonus to a mental and a penalty to a physical stat would have a narrower range of choices out there, but it would provide a better way to play a spellcaster, if the player was willing to give up a Dex or Con bonus that a Gnome or Elf would provide.As for Shadows (it was described in a Savage Progressions article for the Tiefling as "Lesser Darkness", and that's the name I used in an earlier draft - I pretty much cut and pasted this from a previous post of mine in another forum), it works like this - ____________________________________________ShadowsEvocation [Darkness]Level: Brd 0, Clr 0, Sor/Wiz 0Components: V, M/DFCasting Time: 1 standard actionRange: TouchTarget: Object touchedDuration: 10 min./level (D)Saving Throw: NoneSpell Resistance: NoThis spell causes an object to radiate shadowy illumination out to a 5-foot radius. All creatures in the area gain concealment (20% miss chance). Even creatures that can normally see in such conditions (such as with darkvision or low-light vision) have the miss chance in an area shrouded in magical shadows. Normal lights (torches, candles, lanterns, and so forth) are incapable of brightening the area. Higher-level light spells (such as Daylight) are not affected by shadows. If shadows is cast on a small object that is then placed inside or under a lightproof covering, the spell's effect is blocked until the covering is removed. Shadows counters and dispels a light spell of an equal or lower level.Arcane Material Component: A drop of pitch or a piece of coal.____________________________________________Sorry for not describing this earlier.Now, on the subject of names... Sorry, but I'm not fluent in extraplanar languages. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh    :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /> I think the names are a little silly, too - they were just to more precisely describe the race, by clearly pointing out the influence. Any suggestions for Abyssal, Infernal, or Celestial sounding names are greatly appreciated; until then, for sake of clarity, I'll use the old names.OK, here's the ~revised~ races...____________________________________________Darkchosen(Demonchosen, Devilchosen, Fiendchosen, Yugolothchosen) (working titles)- Ability Score Adjustments: +2 Int, -2 Con.- Size and Type: Medium Humanoid (human).- Speed: 30 ft.- Low-light Vision.- Spell-like Ability: Shadows 3/Day (see spell description above), caster level is equal to class levels. A 15 minute meditation must be completed each day to refresh the ability.- +1 to Bluff and Gather Information checks. In addition to these bonuses, the Darkchosen receives an additional bonus depending on their influencer - Demon influence - +2 to Intimidate. Devil influence - +2 to Diplomacy. Fiend influence - +2 to Sense Motive. Yugoloth influence - +2 to Survival.- Fiendish Resistance (Ex): Choose one energy type, as determined by your fiendish influencer. You gain racial energy resistance 5 against the chosen type. Demon - Acid, Cold, Electricity, Fire. Devil - Acid, Cold, Fire. Fiend - Cold, Fire. Yugoloth - Acid, Electricity, Fire.- Code Of The Fiend: A Darkchosen who shifts to a good alignment loses ALL racial features, including ability adjustments, special qualities, spell-like abilities, and favored class. They also lose the ability to speak the language of their influencer, but not the ability to speak Common. A Darkchosen can regain their racial features through use of an atonement spell. A Darkchosen that shifts to a good alignment, makes peaceful contact with a good outsider, and undergoes an atonement spell may change their race to Lightchosen, gaining all the racial features of a Lightchosen. The racial influence of the Lightchosen is determined by the race of the good outsider with which peaceful contact is made (any good outsider [such as an angel] other than an archon, eladrin, or guardinal results in the Celestialchosen race).- Automatic Languages: Common, plus the language of their fiendish influencer (Demon - Abyssal, Devil - Infernal, Yugoloth or Fiend - Abyssal or Infernal). Bonus Languages: Any (other than Celestial, and secret languages, such as Druidic). A Darkchosen's involvement in different cultures allow them to learn a wide variety of languages. However, a Darkchosen refuse to utter the holy language of Celestials.- Favored Class: Rogue____________________________________________Lightchosen(Archonchosen, Celestialchosen, Eladrinchosen, Guardinalchosen) (working titles)- Ability Score Adjustments: +2 Cha, -2 Con.- Size and Type: Medium Humanoid (human).- Speed: 30 ft.- Low-light Vision.- Spell-like Ability: Light 3/Day, caster level is equal to class levels. A 15 minute meditation must be completed each day to refresh the ability.- +1 to Diplomacy and Gather Information checks. Angel influence - +2 to Sense Motive. Archon influence - +2 to Intimidate. Eladrin influence - +2 to Bluff. Guardinal influence - +2 to Survival.- Celestial Resistance (Ex): Choose one energy type, as determined by your celestial influencer. You gain racial energy resistance 5 against the chosen type. Archon - Electricity. Celestial - Acid, Cold, Electricity. Eladrin - Cold, Electricity, Fire. Guardinal - Cold, Electricity, Sonic.- Code Of The Celestial: A Lightchosen who shifts to an evil alignment loses ALL racial features, including ability adjustments, special qualities, spell-like abilities, and favored class. They also lose the ability to speak the language of their influencer, but not the ability to speak Common. A Lightchosen can regain their racial features through use of an atonement spell. A Lightchosen that shifts to an evil alignment, makes peaceful contact with an evil outsider, and undergoes an atonement spell may change their race to Darkchosen, gaining all the racial features of a Darkchosen. The racial influence of the Darkchosen is determined by the race of the evil outsider with which peaceful contact is made (any evil outsider [such as a night hag] other than a demon, devil, or yugoloth results in the Fiendchosen race).- Automatic Languages: Common, Celestial. Bonus Languages: Any (other than Abyssal, Infernal, and secret languages, such as Druidic). A Lightchosen's involvement in different cultures allow them to learn a wide variety of languages. However, a Lightchosen refuse to utter the unholy languages of demons and devils.- Favored Class: Paladin, but alignment requirements vary depending on celestial influence. Archonchosen - Paladin (LG). Celestialchosen - Paladin (substitute required Paladin alignment (LG) to LG OR NG OR CG). Eladrinchosen - Paladin (substitute Paladin's required LG alignment to CG). Guardinalchosen - Paladin (substitute Paladin's required LG alignment with NG).____________________________________________ Also, as for the skill bonuses... flavorwise, how do they work out? I know that some of them might seem like odd choices, especially the yugoloth (I couldn't really think of anything, so I matched it to the guardinal), and suggestions for better-fitting skill bonuses are appreciated.Once more, constructive criticism is welcomed!</blockquote>

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