D&D 5E Over 50% of FGG Borderland Provinces kickstarter backers choosing 5e, maybe...

qu0zl

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One of the backers of the Frog God Games Borderland Provinces kick-starter (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/froggodgames/the-lost-lands-borderland-provinces) did a google poll to see which of the three systems Pathfinder, Swords & Wizardry and Fifth ed backers were choosing - as the books will be released for all three systems.

At the time of posting this it's 56% for 5e with 204 votes!
https://plus.google.com/113253714382987650453/posts/4sfczD4F8Dk

That's fantastic news as far as I'm concerned as how well 5e does in this test-release for it will determine whether they do more of their back catalogue or future releases for 5e. I want more good quality 3rd party 5e stuff, from FGG or whoever. The WotC campaign releases so far are fine (I particularly like the look of OotA) but Frog God Games is more my personal taste as I lean to the Sandboxy.

Is anyone else on here backing it and going for the 5e books? I find it hard to believe a poll that has only 15% of the backers going for Pathfinder, especially as it's the result that I'm hoping for!
 

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I find it hard to believe a poll that has only 15% of the backers going for Pathfinder, especially as it's the result that I'm hoping for!

This statement is... silly.

Is it that you are happy that people who also share your interest in this FGG book don't also share your enthusiasm for Pathfinder? And in this separation you find joy?
Or is it that hope that no one else plays other game systems that might differ from your personal choice?
Or maybe you feel that the Borderlands Province should be exclusive to 5e because people who enjoy the Pathfinder rule-set are ninnies!?
Or maybe you hope that the small minutiae of people who not only share your love for tabletop rpgs, but also have expendable income, and a desire to support third party publishers, through a kickstarter project no less, yet happen to enjoy Pathfinder in lieu of D&D 5e, be crushed beneath the boot of the one-true-system for the insolence Paizo has brought through their personal dismantling of the, at the time, undisputed king-of-the-throne that WotC was at the end of 3.5, WotC?

All of those are derivatives of each other of course, but I believe the point was made.

At the end of the day, I hope people bring new people to 'the game', not squabble over which system is better and "I hope they lose cuz uhhh". 'The game' of course being any tabletop rpg. D&D, PF, Numenera, O.L.D., Star Wars EOE, etc. are all great systems and I hope the community grows and all of those systems and publishers (including the third party publishers and software developers) do well.

We all should.
 
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Wow, you completely misunderstood me.

I play Pathfinder regularly. I have many FGG books for Pathfinder. FGG have stated that how this kick-starter does for 5e will determine if they include 5e in as an option in future releases.

So I want this one to do well for 5e in order to have more, not less, systems supported by FGG. Pathfinder and S&W are under no risk of becoming unsupported by them - they are merely testing if they should ALSO support 5e.

So I meant exactly the opposite of how you interpreted me. Text posts can be an awful medium for communication!
 


This statement is... silly.

Is it that you are happy that people who also share your interest in this FGG book don't also share your enthusiasm for Pathfinder? And in this separation you find joy?
Or is it that hope that no one else plays other game systems that might differ from your personal choice?
Or maybe you feel that the Borderlands Province should be exclusive to 5e because people who enjoy the Pathfinder rule-set are ninnies!?
Or maybe you hope that the small minutiae of people who not only share your love for tabletop rpgs, but also have expendable income, and a desire to support third party publishers, through a kickstarter project no less, yet happen to enjoy Pathfinder in lieu of D&D 5e, be crushed beneath the boot of the one-true-system for the insolence Paizo has brought through their personal dismantling of the, at the time, undisputed king-of-the-throne that WotC was at the end of 3.5, WotC?

All of those are derivatives of each other of course, but I believe the point was made.

At the end of the day, I hope people bring new people to 'the game', not squabble over which system is better and "I hope they lose cuz uhhh". 'The game' of course being any tabletop rpg. D&D, PF, Numenera, O.L.D., Star Wars EOE, etc. are all great systems and I hope the community grows and all of those systems and publishers (including the third party publishers and software developers) do well.

We all should.

I think the portion of qu0zl's post you totally misinterpreted is that he's dubious about the validity of the poll results because he (and I) find it difficult to buy that Pathfinder would have such a low percentage.

That actually means that S&W would have 29% of respondents, a larger percentage than PF. That could probably be explained by it being a FGG product, and they publish S&W on behalf of Mythmere, so one of their products is likely to attract more S&W fans, and therefore they'd be over-represented, but to go above PF, which is much more widely played by pretty much every measure? It just seems like a rather poor showing for PF, well below what one would expect.

Unless the plethora of PF material, and the desire for more than 5e material than we've seen so far has created a greater pent up demand for the latter. That FGG, who already produce some 5e stuff, might attract such 5e-hungry players/DMs would make sense.
 


I apologize for any misunderstanding. The way it read to me was that you were excited Pathfinder only had 15% as opposed to the elation I assumed on your part when you stated 56% have voted for 5e.

I have heard a lot of system bashing on the web as of late and perhaps I was too eager to vent that frustration in your direction. I sincerely thought you were happy that Pathfinder's number seemed small by comparison. Sorry.
 

Hi Guys,

Just wanted to drop in and provide some Frog God Games clarification and tell qu0zl that we knew what he meant. And that we appreciate dekotahorn championing a non-edition war viewpoint when he thought qu0zl was starting something. Messageboards are often a terrible way to get meaning across (and certainly tone), but I'm glad it got all sorted out, since you were both actually on the same side of the issue. :-)

Frog God Games loves all three systems and their players! Especially considering that the FGG folks represent players of all three games between them. I primarily run PF along with John, Bill and Matt mainly do S&W, and Chuck & Chris are mainly 5e. Skeeter does S&W and PF, not sure of his 5e status.

But mainly I wanted give a little background/explanation to give context to qu0zl's comments.

FGG does PF and S&W on all their books whenever possible. Our Perilous Vistas line (Dunes of Desolation, Fields of Blood, the upcoming Mountains of Madness, etc.) provide rules for different environmental types. Since they are mainly built on derivations of PF rules for which S&W does not have specific equivalents, we only do PF versions of them because an S&W version would end up being about the size of a pamphlet. So those are exceptions, but in general we will do all our books in S&W and PF as a minimum.

In those editions, our sales have generally been roughly 67% PF and 33% S&W (going from memory here, so don't quote me). Healthy numbers for both with good core groups of fans, so we will continue to do these.

Since the advent of 5e, we have released some books like Fifth Edition Foes and the Book of Lost Spells, which sold well, but our primary 5e releases since then have been our Quests of Doom adventure anthologies, which have also done really well and which we will continue to produce.

The question, really, is our campaign setting/adventure path style books. Just because the adventure anthologies (a type of product that WotC has not really been covering) do well does not mean that people will be interested in buying our campaign setting books and adventure path types of books (something that WotC is already covering very well). Since it takes a considerable initial investment to print a 5e book, we can't afford to just automatically make a 5e version of every book unless we know that the market is there for it. Sure there are a lot of 5e fans, but do they want to invest in Lost Lands campaign books or adventure paths? That's our real question. So Borderland Provinces is a campaign setting book and is not as large as some of our others, so it doesn't cost us quite as much to print. So we decided to go ahead and commit to printing a 5e version to test the market.

We hope that a ton of 5e fans jump on board and demand more Lost Lands stuff from FGG, but it is not at the expense of our PF or S&W fans. We'll continue doing PF and S&W versions regardless. We just want to see that if it comes time for 5e fans to vote with their wallets, what kinds of products they'd really like to see from us. And this Borderland Provinces KS is our means to determine that to see if the interest level for 5e materials in our campaign setting and adventure path books exists in enough volume to financially support us doing them as well.

so this is your chance to let us know, 5e fans. If you want Lost Lands in 5e give us a shout through the Borderland Provinces KS to let us know. If, rather, you think WotC already has those kinds of materials already pretty well locked up for 5e, we want to know that too. We want to make the kinds of products that people want to buy, so we're watching what you guys do to tell us.:-)

Thanks,

Greg Vaughan
FGG
 

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