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<blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 3071559" data-attributes="member: 40961">I don't know where you got 30d6, but lets pretend that's right.&nbsp; Remember that it is reflex for half.&nbsp; Average damage is 105, save for half of that.&nbsp; If there's a 50/50 chance of making the save, that makes the damage average out at 78.75.&nbsp; In the following rounds, no breath weapon because of the delay and because I assume this is with a metabreath feat.Level 20 fighter will be doing, if he's a longsword user,1d8+str+weapon enhancement+any bonus damage from the weapon+weapon specialization+more weapon specialization+melee focus slashing.That's going to be, at level 20, about1d8 +8 strength +5 enhancement +1d6 flaming maybe +2 +2 +2.&nbsp; I'd expect the total to be about 1d8 +1d6 +17.&nbsp; Average damage would be 25.&nbsp; Four attacks in a full attack, and on the rounds the dragon shaman is recovering his breath, you can still attack.And come on.&nbsp; Give each a strength of 10?&nbsp; Great comparison there.&nbsp; Lets use it for other classes.&nbsp; We'll compare level 20 wizards to level 20 fighters.&nbsp; Each gets an intelligence of 8.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadfan, post: 3071559, member: 40961"] I don't know where you got 30d6, but lets pretend that's right. Remember that it is reflex for half. Average damage is 105, save for half of that. If there's a 50/50 chance of making the save, that makes the damage average out at 78.75. In the following rounds, no breath weapon because of the delay and because I assume this is with a metabreath feat. Level 20 fighter will be doing, if he's a longsword user, 1d8+str+weapon enhancement+any bonus damage from the weapon+weapon specialization+more weapon specialization+melee focus slashing. That's going to be, at level 20, about 1d8 +8 strength +5 enhancement +1d6 flaming maybe +2 +2 +2. I'd expect the total to be about 1d8 +1d6 +17. Average damage would be 25. Four attacks in a full attack, and on the rounds the dragon shaman is recovering his breath, you can still attack. And come on. Give each a strength of 10? Great comparison there. Lets use it for other classes. We'll compare level 20 wizards to level 20 fighters. Each gets an intelligence of 8. [/QUOTE]

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