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<blockquote data-quote="Magus Coeruleus" data-source="post: 147925" data-attributes="member: 1704">Hey folks.DMG p. 78 says that a successful Listen check against an invisible opponent (that does not beat the DC by 20, allowing a pinpoint), let's a character &quot;hear an invisible creature 'over there somewhere.'&quot;How would you define &quot;over there somewhere&quot;?&nbsp; This is a serious issue because you might want to use an area effect spell (e.g. fireball) against such an opponent, and you wouldn't need to pinpoint the location to get the bastard in the blast, but you'd need them within the range of the burst.Here's what I'm thinking so far:A successful Listen check that doesn't pinpoint should let you know that the invisible creature is somewhere within a circle of radius R.&nbsp; The DM should take the invisible's actual location as a starting point, and construct a circle of radius R around it.&nbsp; The &quot;over there somewhere&quot; circle should also be of radius R, but its center is randomly determined from the squares within the circle center on the invisible's actual location.Does this sound right so far?&nbsp; If so, what do you think that R should be?I put this in D&amp;D Rules rather than House Rules in case there's something in the rules that should help out here, but if there isn't and this becomes a House Rule issue, please feel free to move the thread, moderators/administrators.Thanks!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Magus Coeruleus, post: 147925, member: 1704"] Hey folks. DMG p. 78 says that a successful Listen check against an invisible opponent (that does not beat the DC by 20, allowing a pinpoint), let's a character "hear an invisible creature 'over there somewhere.'" How would you define "over there somewhere"? This is a serious issue because you might want to use an area effect spell (e.g. fireball) against such an opponent, and you wouldn't need to pinpoint the location to get the bastard in the blast, but you'd need them within the range of the burst. Here's what I'm thinking so far: A successful Listen check that doesn't pinpoint should let you know that the invisible creature is somewhere within a circle of radius R. The DM should take the invisible's actual location as a starting point, and construct a circle of radius R around it. The "over there somewhere" circle should also be of radius R, but its center is randomly determined from the squares within the circle center on the invisible's actual location. Does this sound right so far? If so, what do you think that R should be? I put this in D&D Rules rather than House Rules in case there's something in the rules that should help out here, but if there isn't and this becomes a House Rule issue, please feel free to move the thread, moderators/administrators. Thanks! [/QUOTE]

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