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<blockquote data-quote="Drowbane" data-source="post: 2700711" data-attributes="member: 23396">Looks like a classic case of one guy who is good at making tough characters (Thus shall be referenced as Powergamer) joining a group of people who aren't so hot at making characters (thus shall be referenced as Norms).Punishing the Powergamer for his nature, but because the Norms are incapable of rising to the challenge is childish.&nbsp; Back in 2e, I was my group's Powergamer.&nbsp; Nobody else had a clue... and half of the group's DMs hated me for it.&nbsp; That said... wtf is your Wizard and Druid doing that they are not the ones outshining the rest of the party?!&nbsp; At those levels... Does the party have gear appropriate for thier level?&nbsp; Cause if not... VoP is way too good.&nbsp; VoP can only appear balanced if everybody else has thier toys.Monks too powerful?&nbsp; Hardly.&nbsp; The ability to avoid saving throws and deal &quot;bleh&quot; damage is nothing compared to the POWER of the Dark Side... err... a high str Barbarian/Fighter going at it with Power attack, a +5 (+3?) Falchion...You have seen what a competently crafted Bbn/Fi can do right?Anyways, sorry in advance if this wasn't too helpful.&nbsp; I just hate it when Norms whine and cry because they don't know what they're doing. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :P"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Drowbane, post: 2700711, member: 23396"] Looks like a classic case of one guy who is good at making tough characters (Thus shall be referenced as Powergamer) joining a group of people who aren't so hot at making characters (thus shall be referenced as Norms). Punishing the Powergamer for his nature, but because the Norms are incapable of rising to the challenge is childish. Back in 2e, I was my group's Powergamer. Nobody else had a clue... and half of the group's DMs hated me for it. That said... wtf is your Wizard and Druid doing that they are not the ones outshining the rest of the party?! At those levels... Does the party have gear appropriate for thier level? Cause if not... VoP is way too good. VoP can only appear balanced if everybody else has thier toys. Monks too powerful? Hardly. The ability to avoid saving throws and deal "bleh" damage is nothing compared to the POWER of the Dark Side... err... a high str Barbarian/Fighter going at it with Power attack, a +5 (+3?) Falchion... You have seen what a competently crafted Bbn/Fi can do right? Anyways, sorry in advance if this wasn't too helpful. I just hate it when Norms whine and cry because they don't know what they're doing. :P [/QUOTE]

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