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<blockquote data-quote="Corwin" data-source="post: 7114296" data-attributes="member: 1560"><p>Are you familiar with question marks? <==See, there's one right there! Since you were nebulously critical originally, I needed to ask you questions to determine what it is you were alluding to, while refusing to come out and say. You keep hinting that a MC can be "weak" and therefor, what? What does that result in? What are you worried is going to happen at a table where this is theoretically occurring?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Resulting in what, exactly? Better not say TPK... That would be unfortunate.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You've yet to show any evidence that the examples you have given would meet that theoretical, undefinable baseline. Because you won't lay out what you think this "ineffective" character would results in during play. Let alone what qualifies.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Please finally define "effective". Seriously. Not kidding. Because "effective" can just as easily be defined as being achieved by the character taking the other class levels to get things the party really wants. Or, at least, benefits from. Such as a fighter taking rogue levels to get things like: expertise in several key skill the party needs, and eventually the arcane trickster starting package. When the party gets locked in the prison cell, try to tell them how "less effective" the fighter/rogue will be then... Or when they encounter the thieves' guild and the fighter can speak their language. How terrible was his choice then?... I really could list examples of instances, where a fighter/rogue would greatly benefit from the rogue level(s) he chose to take, all day. But I think we all can, so what's the point, amIright?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Resulting in what? Compared to what? You really can't say, can you? </p><p></p><p>You say a fighter 3/rogue 2 is a bad choice, right? You like to use white-room math to prove your untested theories. Go for it. Show me. Show me how that is notably weaker than a fighter 5. And why. Give me a concrete breakdown. If you have the right of it, shouldn't be too hard to prove.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I gave specific examples in my previous post. And again here. Where are yours, BTW? Your continued attempts to discredit my opposition, to your general malaise and vague grousing, is going to fail. Because people can just scroll up and see for themselves.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Corwin, post: 7114296, member: 1560"] Are you familiar with question marks? <==See, there's one right there! Since you were nebulously critical originally, I needed to ask you questions to determine what it is you were alluding to, while refusing to come out and say. You keep hinting that a MC can be "weak" and therefor, what? What does that result in? What are you worried is going to happen at a table where this is theoretically occurring? Resulting in what, exactly? Better not say TPK... That would be unfortunate. You've yet to show any evidence that the examples you have given would meet that theoretical, undefinable baseline. Because you won't lay out what you think this "ineffective" character would results in during play. Let alone what qualifies. Please finally define "effective". Seriously. Not kidding. Because "effective" can just as easily be defined as being achieved by the character taking the other class levels to get things the party really wants. Or, at least, benefits from. Such as a fighter taking rogue levels to get things like: expertise in several key skill the party needs, and eventually the arcane trickster starting package. When the party gets locked in the prison cell, try to tell them how "less effective" the fighter/rogue will be then... Or when they encounter the thieves' guild and the fighter can speak their language. How terrible was his choice then?... I really could list examples of instances, where a fighter/rogue would greatly benefit from the rogue level(s) he chose to take, all day. But I think we all can, so what's the point, amIright? Resulting in what? Compared to what? You really can't say, can you? You say a fighter 3/rogue 2 is a bad choice, right? You like to use white-room math to prove your untested theories. Go for it. Show me. Show me how that is notably weaker than a fighter 5. And why. Give me a concrete breakdown. If you have the right of it, shouldn't be too hard to prove. I gave specific examples in my previous post. And again here. Where are yours, BTW? Your continued attempts to discredit my opposition, to your general malaise and vague grousing, is going to fail. Because people can just scroll up and see for themselves. [/QUOTE]
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