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<blockquote data-quote="Majere" data-source="post: 1581820" data-attributes="member: 13916">Its 15th levelThere are certain standard things. First off the only spells I mentioned were:1) Healing from the cleric-&gt; Clerics get spontaineous cure spells so this insnt really asking a whole lot.2) Greater Dispel magic-&gt; This spell is SO standard I cant believe anyone would quibble, its a gimmie, if you didnt learn it you have it on a scroll. I refuse to believe you play 15th level casters without dispel or greater dispel.So the other question is permanent see invis. Your 15th level, you will meet invisible flying X Y Z.Our mage cleric and main fighter got permanent true sight as soon as they could. Yes its an investment, but weigh off 1000xp for casting it vs the deaths you avoid via pummelings from improved invis attackers like the one suggested in this thread. It takes alot of sting out of rogues and assassins with improved invis like a charm.If this combat taught that level 15th party anything its that they should either have had permanent true sight/see invisibilities. Or they should have item equivalents. When your enemy can be EXPECTED to have access to invisibility, permanemt see invis is simply too good not to have, stick it on your rouge as well if you can.Majere</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majere, post: 1581820, member: 13916"] Its 15th level There are certain standard things. First off the only spells I mentioned were: 1) Healing from the cleric -> Clerics get spontaineous cure spells so this insnt really asking a whole lot. 2) Greater Dispel magic -> This spell is SO standard I cant believe anyone would quibble, its a gimmie, if you didnt learn it you have it on a scroll. I refuse to believe you play 15th level casters without dispel or greater dispel. So the other question is permanent see invis. Your 15th level, you will meet invisible flying X Y Z. Our mage cleric and main fighter got permanent true sight as soon as they could. Yes its an investment, but weigh off 1000xp for casting it vs the deaths you avoid via pummelings from improved invis attackers like the one suggested in this thread. It takes alot of sting out of rogues and assassins with improved invis like a charm. If this combat taught that level 15th party anything its that they should either have had permanent true sight/see invisibilities. Or they should have item equivalents. When your enemy can be EXPECTED to have access to invisibility, permanemt see invis is simply too good not to have, stick it on your rouge as well if you can. Majere [/QUOTE]

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