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Message: <blockquote data-quote="danielinthewolvesden" data-source="post: 1582435" data-attributes="member: 19889">It gets worse- every Pally I know has a heavy warhorse as a Mount- or better.  The Druid certainly could of shapeshifted to something flying and at the very least be out of the area for any area effect spells. Not to mention casting spells once he got up there.  7 (!) characters level 15 (clr, wiz, wiz/rog, rog, pal/ftr/rgr, rog/asn, drd) in There were three PC's possibly with Evasion and one (the pure rogue) with almost certainly Improved Evasion. Even after two Maximized fireballs, he (at the very least ) shouldn't even be down a single HP.  The Pally should have been able to take two MAXed fireballs and still be alive.  With 4 spellcasters it boggles the mind that NO "anti-invisible" spells (glitterdust, see invis, invis purge, true sight, etc etc etc) weren't at least on someones spell list fot that day. And- that fact that no one had any item or spell of fire resistance?? :\  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> But still- having them all bunched together after the first fireball was silly. And, two MAXIMIZED fireballs still shouldn't have been able to kill all of the party- even if everyone rolled two consectutive ones. The cleric, druid, Pally, and the Mount all certainly could easily have more than 120 hit points (and PLEASE don't tell me everyone failed BOTH saving throws!!!!).The contingency spell would at least have the wizard well out of the spread of fireball two, now wouldn't it?  And- three PC's with healing, one of who could  have cast Cure Critical Wounds, Mass- Spontaneously, which would have healed everyone in the party of 43 points or so of damage.  I dunno about YOUR party, but even after taking 60 points- every 15th level PC I have played with would have been alive. It is statistically impossible that everyone failed their save (and thus 3 would have been unscathed)- and then- after a spell that every 15th level (non-evil) cleric has available- those who HAD failed would have been down only 17 points.  I don't care what kind of bear your party was loaded for- your cleric had access to high level mass healing spells. He HAS to. It's the rules. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> Ok, let's be frank here- pull the other one, it's got bells on it.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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