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<blockquote data-quote="isoChron" data-source="post: 1582778" data-attributes="member: 5927">Nice try to push my Pali to high level but he was Fighter 10 then Ranger and Paladin (Torm) 'till 15th. Actually Ftr10/Rgr2/Pal3. And no he didn't have a mount. I never mentioned a &quot;Paladins Mount&quot;. I was talking about a group traveling through the north of Tethyr after some heavy fighting with a troll/ork army at Eshpurta. All we had were light and heavy warhorses. In our campaign you don't get holy avengers and special mounts on the fly over night. In 3.0 it wasn't that useful to have a paladins mount if you teleport a lot. &nbsp;&nbsp;I don't know your style of play but please don't call someone a liar you don't know. Your arguments are based on assumptions made from YOUR gaming experience not ours. &nbsp;And please don't asume your choices are the best another group could have made in another complete different campaign/situation.&nbsp;As mentioned we didn't have permanency in our group. Are these wizards now a dump pack because they didn't have this one spell. They chosed other spells that fitted their situation more. &nbsp;&nbsp;And I never said we were on enemy territory. That's one thing you said, not me. We were travelling on the road in Amn because in Amn it's not allowed to use teleportation spells and we had some places to visit along the way to Athkatla. &nbsp;&nbsp;And no, I didn't make this encounter up in my mind. Ask the DM that made this encounter up. He is the thread starter ...&nbsp;&nbsp;And another point is that you still can't get True Seeing permanent on yourself, even if the fighter has spend his 2 skillpoints per level in UMD instead of ride, jump, climb, knowledge or whatever other nice skills are out there. (This would make +7.5 ranks in UMD vs. 3 checks to use a scroll with UMD. &nbsp;1. Decipher Script 25+spell level=DC30.&nbsp;2. Emulate Spell ability DC 20 gives your caster level as result-20 ... must be 9 or better to cast from a scroll without problems&nbsp;3. Emulate Ability Score (WIS 15) gives you a virtual score of result-15. You need 30 to get there ...&nbsp;not that easy, or ?)&nbsp;And True Seeing is NOT on the list of possible spells given in the PHB list. Even not in T&amp;B.&nbsp;&nbsp;If your DM houseruled that, nice for you. But that's not covered by the rules.&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm a little bit dissapointed about your way to draw conclusions on a basis of little information. That's ok for you but to call someone a liar is a totally different thing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="isoChron, post: 1582778, member: 5927"] Nice try to push my Pali to high level but he was Fighter 10 then Ranger and Paladin (Torm) 'till 15th. Actually Ftr10/Rgr2/Pal3. And no he didn't have a mount. I never mentioned a "Paladins Mount". I was talking about a group traveling through the north of Tethyr after some heavy fighting with a troll/ork army at Eshpurta. All we had were light and heavy warhorses. In our campaign you don't get holy avengers and special mounts on the fly over night. In 3.0 it wasn't that useful to have a paladins mount if you teleport a lot. I don't know your style of play but please don't call someone a liar you don't know. Your arguments are based on assumptions made from YOUR gaming experience not ours. And please don't asume your choices are the best another group could have made in another complete different campaign/situation. As mentioned we didn't have permanency in our group. Are these wizards now a dump pack because they didn't have this one spell. They chosed other spells that fitted their situation more. And I never said we were on enemy territory. That's one thing you said, not me. We were travelling on the road in Amn because in Amn it's not allowed to use teleportation spells and we had some places to visit along the way to Athkatla. And no, I didn't make this encounter up in my mind. Ask the DM that made this encounter up. He is the thread starter ... And another point is that you still can't get True Seeing permanent on yourself, even if the fighter has spend his 2 skillpoints per level in UMD instead of ride, jump, climb, knowledge or whatever other nice skills are out there. (This would make +7.5 ranks in UMD vs. 3 checks to use a scroll with UMD. 1. Decipher Script 25+spell level=DC30. 2. Emulate Spell ability DC 20 gives your caster level as result-20 ... must be 9 or better to cast from a scroll without problems 3. Emulate Ability Score (WIS 15) gives you a virtual score of result-15. You need 30 to get there ... not that easy, or ?) And True Seeing is NOT on the list of possible spells given in the PHB list. Even not in T&B. If your DM houseruled that, nice for you. But that's not covered by the rules. I'm a little bit dissapointed about your way to draw conclusions on a basis of little information. That's ok for you but to call someone a liar is a totally different thing. [/QUOTE]

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